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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/105076/element-templates</link><description>Can some please explain why or how you uses the following in element templates 
 Levels you can have a primary level which seems to be the level the template will take when it is used, yet you can added multiply levels below this which dont seem to have</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316816?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:16:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:c0e76d3b-7efc-40bc-b2b5-5d0287d220e7</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>Tim&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you, yours and Jan explaination makes it clear and confirms it does not do what i was looking for.&lt;br /&gt;
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Mark&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316773?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 19:23:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:718b9c3d-4d4c-47c7-9d5b-eceb3a032e2c</guid><dc:creator>Rod Wing</dc:creator><description>Thank you Jan and Tim, that explanation makes sense.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316749?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 17:30:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:fffe8d26-c188-40b1-8b39-b034eb05c5f5</guid><dc:creator>Tim Hickman</dc:creator><description>It is what Jan has stated. There is no &amp;quot;multiple choice&amp;quot;. If a template is selected and you have only set one choice for all the settings, then it sets these as the &amp;quot;active&amp;quot; settings for the element placement. The user can still choose another setting, it does not stop them from doing this, it only gives them a &amp;quot;default&amp;quot; setting so they do not need to choose or remember what it is supposed to be. Templates do not keep users from picking different options, it only sets a default so the user does not HAVE to choose. Now - going forward if you want to check elements to see if they are &amp;quot;following&amp;quot; a template, then the element can be associated with the template and you can run standards checker to flag anything not following the template. They may be an instance where a template may fit several scenarios where more than one color will still work for the template. This is where you would add these additional settings. Although the template itself when selected can only set one color (its default) there are several others colors that will still fit into the requirements. So if the user chooses one of the other colors, when standards checker is run, these elements would pass because one of the colors selected is in the list. It doesn&amp;#39;t limit the users choices of colors that they can pick, it only limits what will pass when the template is used by standards checker against the element.&lt;br /&gt;
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An example would be if I created a template that had 3 colors in it (lets say green, blue and red). The default color is red. I choose the template and it sets my color to red. It does not prevent me from choosing another color and it does not limit my choices to only 3 colors. I can choose what I want, but it defaulted to red. Lets say I pick orange for the color. I run standards checker and it scans the element with the template provided. As long as the element is red, green or blue, it would pass, but since it is not, it would be flagged.&lt;br /&gt;
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I hope this makes sense.&lt;br /&gt;
Let me know.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316727?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:26:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:64ccc5b1-e0de-46d2-9e14-48bc05ce5260</guid><dc:creator>Rod Wing</dc:creator><description>With OpenRoads transitioning to the use of Element Templates instead of xin file preferences I can see how this would be useful for specifying different display properties for plan view vs. profile view, etc. I&amp;#39;m just curious on how you can use this in standard MicroStation.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316717?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:49:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:02fcd9f0-56e7-4476-9d75-e9c4f9db07c4</guid><dc:creator>Jan Šlegr</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Rod,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;RodWing&amp;quot;]I don&amp;#39;t quite understand your explanation of how to select a different property in the element template.[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As far as I know there is no such option. If there are e.g. 4 color defined in a template, still full color table is available ... which consequently means it&amp;#39;s easy to select a color that doesn&amp;#39;t conform to the template. But I am also curious if some trick exists.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; Jan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316712?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 15:41:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:b5d8a958-971b-4c1e-94a1-8ff66020fb04</guid><dc:creator>Rod Wing</dc:creator><description>Tim, &lt;br /&gt;
I don&amp;#39;t quite understand your explanation of how to select a different property in the element template. I have a single template set up with multiple levels, colors, and line weights. Can you explain further of how to select one of the secondary properties?&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316652?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2015 07:27:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:c5aecd85-d3a9-45e1-aa82-ec3602a2bc23</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>Jan&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for your reply, this has explained it all&lt;br /&gt;
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Mark&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316389?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2015 20:07:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:3a251960-1cc3-4fef-a121-4cf32d655646</guid><dc:creator>Jan Šlegr</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Mark,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;reading your post and the answers, it seems to me more different topics are inside your question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Mark Preedy&amp;quot;]i would like to do is have a template that allows us to place...[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It sounds like a misunderstanding what templates are designed for. Using templates you can define settings (common symbology, text styles, hatch and pattern parameters etc.) that will be applied when the template will be activated. Templates have no relation to MicroStation elements and they don&amp;#39;t control the element placement, they work with the settings only.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To define what element using what MicroStation tool or key-in will be created a custom tool can be used. The custom tool can active a defined element template when is started, so the workflow is: A custom tool is started &amp;gt; it defineds what element template will become active &amp;gt; the template sets symbology and other element properties &amp;gt; custom tool definition is used to set tool properties or to run some key-in(s) &amp;gt; everything is ready to place the element with the defined tool and parameters.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Mark Preedy&amp;quot;]to place a shape that can be fill and hatched at the same time but have the hatch, fill and shape all applied to different levels[/quote]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anything cannot be done manually, the templates cannot help you. Templates don&amp;#39;t do things differently, they standardize and automate setting process only. As Lorys mentioned already, what you require cannot be solve fully in MicroStation:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;li&gt;Under some conditions you can hatch an element in such way the hatch will be in different level &amp;gt; this request can be solved.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;But it&amp;#39;s not possible to create filled element where the element is in a different level than the filling, because the fill is the element property, not separate element &amp;gt; this request cannot be solved.&lt;/li&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Mark Preedy&amp;quot;]to place a shape that can be fill and hatched at the same time[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It requires two steps: In the first the filled element will be created, in the second an area defined by the element will be hatched. Custom tools allow to call more key-ins step by step, but I think it&amp;#39;s not enough to implement the functionality you required. On the other hand I am quite sure VBA macro can do it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Mark Preedy&amp;quot;]This is what i thought having the ability to added more than one level and colour etc to a template[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No. The only tool which currently works with multiple properties defined in templates is Standard Checker.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; Jan&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316381?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:10:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:cf694cf7-2e1d-482f-87f6-3c0cc3042bb9</guid><dc:creator>Jan Šlegr</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Tim Hickman&amp;quot;]If there are multiple instances of the same property and you do not want to use the default property, before drawing the element use the appropriate toolboxes to select &amp;ldquo;secondary&amp;rdquo; properties that match those in the template.[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be noted that there is no any dependency or linkage between active template and a selection of parameters implemented, so if multiple properties are defined in the template definition, it&amp;#39;s not indicated anywhere and user is not aware of it. In my opinion it makes the whole concept of multiple elements pretty ineffective and hardly usable. The only tool which accepts and works with multiple properties is Standard Checker.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With regards,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp; Jan&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316361?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 10:03:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:e0e73339-aefb-4b1d-a643-3aa54f069e0d</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;The orignal poster &amp;nbsp;Mark stated &amp;nbsp;and I quote &amp;quot;fill and shape all applied to different levels&amp;quot;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must not be understanding this &amp;nbsp;but as far as I can tell templates may offer you multiple options but it cannot create&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;a shape or polygon that the fill and &amp;nbsp;out line are on different levels to eachother..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316209?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 18:08:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:6a28c7e0-e6e9-4064-a30c-048b39d1e2d9</guid><dc:creator>Tim Hickman</dc:creator><description>You can add multiple instances of the same property to a template, each with a different setting. If there are multiple instances of the same property, the first one in the list will be the default that is used when the template is activated. If there are multiple instances of the same property and you do not want to use the default property, before drawing the element use the appropriate toolboxes to select “secondary” properties that match those in the template. If the Active Element Template icon is locked, the placed element will be associated with the template. The element will also pass the Standards Checker&amp;#39;s tests of element templates.&lt;br /&gt;
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When multiple instances of the same property exist in one template, they appear in the Properties pane under the property&amp;#39;s name. Each instance of the property has a number next to it in parentheses. The first instance is the default. The default property value is visible if the list of “secondary” properties is collapsed below the property&amp;#39;s name.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316199?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:43:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:09f940c6-56aa-4c3f-9179-89d08bcd8ede</guid><dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator><description>I&amp;#39;m hoping Tim can help you there.  We have a programmer who sets our tools to select the proper template level, and I&amp;#39;m not sure how he does it.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316192?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 17:15:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:b4ef0687-df46-4000-b8db-ad56d6ef3e46</guid><dc:creator>Tim Hickman</dc:creator><description>before I attempt to explain this, are you familiar with Standards checker ? because the &amp;quot;multiple&amp;quot; options that you are asking about come in to play when this functionality is used.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316136?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 12:45:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:b71f4ec0-499f-442b-b22b-f92ba4f3e37c</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>Bill&lt;br /&gt;
That sounds like the sort of thing we are after, but how do you set that up so you can turn off the individual level. I can create the template add the different level colour etc but when placing a element using the template it only places the top level or colour etc.&lt;br /&gt;
What am i missing ?&lt;br /&gt;
Mark&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316133?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 12:21:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:4ebe1444-a151-4a38-bc53-3bb03f288b81</guid><dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We use the template levels to designate different states of different sitework line styles. For example, a template for Storm Drain - level 0 for existing; level 1 for proposed and level 2 for abandoned - one template containing 3 different line styles, weights, etc.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316116?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 09:36:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:bc124d72-44f8-4f24-9cc8-022ff55b1947</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Lorys&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for your reply. I understand the principals your are saying, but i was investing element templates when they first appeared and found you could add multiply levels colours etc&amp;nbsp; (see below) but could not find how to use them, the only thing i could do was add them. I have now been asked to look again at element templates and thought i would try the forum to see if anybody new how to use or what the additional levels colours etc were for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mark&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/Element-template.png"&gt;&lt;img src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/Element-template.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316107?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 08:51:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:44e35f13-e0cb-467b-840b-1366edc2e2dc</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Let me first say that I have not yet studied templates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I do know microstation well enough to say&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Single element shape &amp;nbsp;has the fill and boundary as an attribute of the element and hence are both on the same &amp;nbsp;level but the fill is an attribute that can be toggle on or off like colours can&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you cannot have the outer and the inner on two levels and be the same element of a shape..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This can only be acheived if you have &amp;nbsp;two shapes &amp;nbsp;that are the same &amp;nbsp;one &amp;nbsp;on level A with no fill say is red, the other shape &amp;nbsp;super imposed is on level B and is a red filled or green filled shape, &amp;nbsp;now select both and &amp;nbsp;control G to group them &amp;nbsp;the result is a cell ( graphic grouping) and you can make the levels on or off independant of each other but the graphic act &amp;nbsp;as an element if you move &amp;nbsp;scale or delete.. if you turn this into a real cell not a graphic grouping then you can recall it with all the settings preset ie colours level names and use place cell to add it to a drawing but make sure your level names &amp;nbsp;in the cell make sense to some one who didnt &amp;nbsp;build it..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See my attributes via information or properties tool of a filled shape notice only one level name is available.. ie level A&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/fills.JPG"&gt;&lt;img src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/fills.JPG" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316093?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:14:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:8fadb822-cb08-4016-8108-24296f0b2fad</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>Tim  What i would like to do is have a template that allows us to place a shape that can be fill and hatched at the same time but have the hatch, fill and shape all applied to different levels and also have different colours, much as we do with our multi lines. This is what i thought having the ability to added more than one level and colour etc to a template would allow you to do, but i can&amp;#39;t find anywhere that allows to apply the hatch pattern or fill colour to a seperate level.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316092?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:13:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:91859138-d4af-46d9-9cc9-341324bde05d</guid><dc:creator>Mark Preedy</dc:creator><description>Melissa  What i would like to do is have a template that allows us to place a shape that can be fill and hatched at the same time but have the hatch, fill and shape all applied to different levels and also have different colours, much as we do with our multi lines. This is what i thought having the ability to added more than one level and colour etc to a template would allow you to do, but i can&amp;#39;t find anywhere that allows to apply the hatch pattern or fill colour to a seperate level.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/316000?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:48:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:da9ccc2b-ceb9-48d5-bd11-088e2c825d7e</guid><dc:creator>Tim Hickman</dc:creator><description>Mark,&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe a brief description on what you are looking to do may help. We can certainly explain what templates are and the options they have, but a workflow/steps/etc... of what you need will be more beneficial in helping us get you an answer.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Element Templates</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/315992?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2015 15:17:02 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:d598439b-6e2c-4479-8488-b81a84024b9b</guid><dc:creator>Melissa Hook</dc:creator><description>Mark, I am not sure that I follow you question, basically a template  define properties of elements.  this includes the level that the elements are placed on , color, style , weight  etc.  so when you pick your template this set that information for you so that when the element is placed it is placed with those attributes.   does this help, if not can you provide more information on what you are trying to accomplish ?&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>