Scaling Design Down But Scaling Annotations Up

 

 

Hello all

 

I'll get straight to the point.

 

I have a 2D design model from which I drawn some lines, circles, dimensions and text.

 

I need this design to be scaled down and printed on an ISO A5 sheet of paper.

 

All of my annotations are drawn at 40mm x 40mm.

 

In order for my design to fit on an ISO A5 sheet of paper I need to scale my design down by a factor of 30.

 

The problem is that when i do this and print it the text and dimension values becomes too small to read because they are printed at 40mm / 30 = 1.3mm - which is too small.

 

My question is this, is there anyway of scaling my design down by 1:30 but scale the text size to about 3mm.

 

Below is a pic of my design.

 

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thank You.


  • There are several ways  to do this  now it  looks like your working in the model space and  not a sheet model..

    If we assume that  is the  case and you want to do asap and  as painlessly as possible 

    you can create  new  text style and  new dimstyle that uses that named text style

    so for the new   text style  you could call it  3mm 30 scale  and  set the  text  to be 90 x 90 mm with the same  fonts and justification you already used, set it as the active text then select all your text  and  apply the  new text style with the change text on a  selection..

    Then do  the  same for the  dim style  set the  new dim style as the active style  select all the  dims  and  update to current dim style...

    Then when you  put a drawing  sheet  30x ISO A5 over the  top  it will  scale it self down via printer  at 1/30 so text will be 90/30 = 3mm...

    This is the old school way. it  works and  is  quick but  if you need to change it again to another  scale then its rework as above again

    Newer better more flexible  method uses annotation scale and sheet models

    Create a text styles    ie dims , annotations, titles etc  at a scale of 1 so in your  case create text style  3 mm  and  set the annotation scale ON  then change the design file scale  to 1. then use/ create   a sheet model  attach your title block, then ref attach your model space to this at the scale necessary and  have the  annotation scale on and the text  will scale accordingly  .. I suggest  you search for Mark penn blogg  for annotation scale he does a much better job of explaining  in detail ..

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  • For an existing drawing you can select text and text nodes using the selection tool.


     Then Scale using About Element Center.

    IN the future I would suggest getting up to speed on annotation scale.

  • David

    Thanks for the response, however this method only works in the design model.

    In my case I have created a saved view of my design.

    I have than created an ISO A5 sheet and referenced in the saved view into my ISO A5 sheet model, at which point I scale the ref down by a factor of 30.

    Using the Element Selection Tool I can select the Text/Dimension but when I try to scale the text for example nothing happens.

    I have read Mark Penn's post which had some really useful information however I am still stuck.

    I thought I could just scale my ref down by a factor of 30 so that it fits an ISO A5 sheet and than use the Annotation Scale to scale the Annotations back up but when you change the Annotation Scale in the sheet model you also change the sheet size which I do not want?

    I cannot understand this would be so difficult?
  • I think the easiest way is to abandon your  current saved view and  set up the text the way it needs to be  with text styles and  annotation scale , or just  change the text and dims the easy way  I first mentioned then just  reference the model into the sheet  the saved  view isnt really necessary, but if your set on using saved views you can make another  new saved view with the  new text setting.. but if you want to have  several details and differing scales  then using annotation scale is the only  quick way, after you have set it  all up it pays off.. but in your case you havent set it  up it appears its just one drawing and  you wont have multiple scales.. so just  change the text globally then ref attach to the sheet..

    A lot of drafters  now days are doing things  similar to autocad and dont  dimension or annotate in the model space but do it all in  sheet space instead of the  model space there are pros and cons

    the pros is its easy and  you only  need your  text styles to suit your cad standards  ie  1.8, 2.5, 3.5, 5  mm text  for annotations, dims and  headings so no text style scale factors.. with the  dims msnt  knows its a ref  attachment and dimensions true to scale  length  and  no annotation scale required for any thing...

    Your sheet model is 1:1 and you ref  in your  model or  saved views to the plot scale desired ie 1:30 etc 

    Con if you have to move the ref attachment  , after you finished all the text etc, in order to fit it  better or add  more views details etc , then you have  to move all your annotations and  dims  together the same amount and location, not  difficult  just a bother...

    My personal preference is if your going to use  sheet models then do all your  text and dims in the sheet space...its a lot  faster to do it last ...and  is not scale dependant as  the sheet is 1:1 so the text is 1:1 in mm and is now WYSIWYG

    Lorys

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