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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/128458/merge-rail-long-section-with-overhead-plan-route</link><description>Hi, 
 A little stumped on how to get the result I&amp;#39;m after. 
 
 Here I have an elevation long section (bottom red line) and an over all plan view of the new rail route (top red line). White lines mark 100m incraments, total length is 1800m. I need to merge</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/392132?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2016 01:41:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:81ea3cf8-a1d2-44a0-adb0-97953ad44f67</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I was theorizing &amp;nbsp;how it could be done, &amp;nbsp;I have done it before but not with his data set.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the sloping &amp;nbsp;horizontal &amp;nbsp;was assumed to be &amp;nbsp;real 3d &amp;nbsp;vertically &amp;nbsp;and the curve is 2d geographically correct with z=0&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then we would &amp;nbsp;put the 2d curve in a 3d file own its own with z=0 ( also it would be chained as one element)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the &amp;nbsp;slopping &amp;nbsp;line ( which turns out is really only 2d in a 3d file) &amp;nbsp;has to be interpreted to work out &amp;nbsp;the relative Z based on the &amp;nbsp;slope and relative to each end if we can create a new 3d file and ref attach our new curve file ontop we can work out the &amp;nbsp;extend or boundary &amp;nbsp;for our &amp;nbsp;surface extent , then we can create a polygon left to right that &amp;nbsp;would be the &amp;nbsp;same &amp;nbsp;slope above &amp;nbsp;0 as was the &amp;nbsp;sloped line but has z values&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then we can turn this &amp;nbsp;polygon into a surface, then use the &amp;nbsp;stencil tool to drape &amp;nbsp;the curve onto the &amp;nbsp;surface ( just like in inroads but all with microstation)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The result is the &amp;nbsp;curve has &amp;nbsp;x,y &amp;nbsp;and &amp;nbsp;now real z values not &amp;nbsp;0...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The hard part is creating the &amp;nbsp;surface from the 2d line that was drawn in a 3d file originally&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I &amp;nbsp;have done this with the stencil tool &amp;nbsp;in ss3 before &amp;nbsp;but I created the surface from a survey file &amp;nbsp;with either points or contours... so it &amp;nbsp;should be achievable for someone that doesnt have access to inroads and only msnt ss3 &amp;nbsp;minimum...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/392022?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2016 12:37:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:da51ba42-9469-49c8-ad14-b2c56da71f6a</guid><dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator><description>I don&amp;#39;t see how this would work.  You&amp;#39;re projecting the alignment (the curve) whose points won&amp;#39;t fall on the surface, which has the curve points &amp;quot;streched&amp;quot; out to form a straigh line.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391985?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:19:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:e60df685-f368-4abf-bdbd-122088860b14</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Josh Whealy&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thought I had the solution but it turned out to be wrong. Going to go with InRoads.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;[/quote]I have not tried it yet &amp;nbsp;but &amp;nbsp;the &amp;nbsp;3d &amp;nbsp;line &amp;nbsp;is the &amp;nbsp;one with the &amp;nbsp;z values if you extended, copied it &amp;nbsp;parallel &amp;nbsp;it &amp;nbsp;to cover the &amp;nbsp;width of the 4 extremes ie &amp;nbsp;x and y without changing its &amp;nbsp;z&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;then created a surface from those to lines &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;next &amp;nbsp;chain your curved line &amp;nbsp;and then &amp;nbsp;project it &amp;nbsp;onto the &amp;nbsp;new surface &amp;nbsp;this can even be done &amp;nbsp;with it in a ref file , the &amp;nbsp;stencil tool should turn your 2d &amp;nbsp;curve into a 3d &amp;nbsp;line string&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We used to be only &amp;nbsp;able to do this in inroads but since ss3 the &amp;nbsp;stencil tool can now drape &amp;nbsp;or project 2d linestring onto a surface...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391804?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:03:49 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:e7d14603-88dc-43ff-bee1-518589cb0d7f</guid><dc:creator>Josh WHEALY</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thought I had the solution but it turned out to be wrong. Going to go with InRoads.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391792?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:30:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:58e452b4-14f6-4887-9e91-bcd5d20826e1</guid><dc:creator>Josh WHEALY</dc:creator><description>It&amp;#39;s been in the back of my mind but I think you&amp;#39;re right. All the methods that utilise placing points will almost work but I&amp;#39;ll be loosing all the &amp;#39;to standard&amp;#39; tangent and radii data.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&amp;#39;ll contact some colleagues that use InRoads. Doesn&amp;#39;t look like vanilla MS can do this.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391791?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:29:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:9ae5709b-8485-4401-9c89-e5d22831041a</guid><dc:creator>Carl Myhill</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Removed posted information as posted too early - Currently unable to delete this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391784?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:38:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:9c776480-c79a-4aad-a74a-0b4352fb733e</guid><dc:creator>Bill Brown</dc:creator><description>Someone may prove me wrong, but I think your only true solution is going to be one of Bentley&amp;#39;s civil packages such as InRoads.  Even if you could manage to merge the individual points to create a b spline curve, I wouldn;t think that this would be a true representation.  From all of my experience, the vertical profile of roads and railroads are built utilizing tangents and vertical curves.  The only way I&amp;#39;m aware of to do this is in a civil package that combines a horizontal profile with a vertical profile.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391782?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 12:31:58 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:d5d64e48-48d5-40b7-aa6a-15e5b94d664b</guid><dc:creator>Carl Myhill</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Following on from Makai&amp;#39;s suggestion you could perform similar operation with MicroStation :&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Create a complex chain of the curved plan elements ( Note one of the segments needs to be moved to the correct Z value to match the others - See image below ).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/3250.Plan.png"&gt;&lt;img src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/3250.Plan.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. Use the Construct Points Along element (Points:18) and select the start (left side) and end of the complex chain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Select all the newly created points and export them to plan.txt file using the &amp;#39;Export Coordinates&amp;#39; tool&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5. Repeat steps 1-3 above of the Line for the elevation and export the coordiantes to a file called &amp;#39;Elevation.txt&amp;#39;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6. Replace the Z values in the plan.txt with the Z values in Elevation.txt and save as Combined.txt&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7. Use the &amp;#39;Import Coordinates&amp;#39; tool to&amp;nbsp;bring in points using Combined.txt ( Attached )&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/Combined.txt"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../Combined.txt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8. Create new curve from these newly created points if required.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391771?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:23:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:3524194c-2530-48bd-be8d-18a833a9c5a9</guid><dc:creator>Jon Summers</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.la-solutions.co.uk/images/fivegoldstars.png"&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.la-solutions.co.uk/images/fivegoldstars.png" width="117" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Five gold stars for supplying good evidence and illustration!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391769?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:16:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:29394634-570d-4767-aaa2-4349873d494e</guid><dc:creator>Josh WHEALY</dc:creator><description>Hopefully this will help too:&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JywccNWz25A"&gt;www.youtube.com/watch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391766?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:57:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:4bb4d3d9-7c67-4553-b350-4fa2d69d2ddc</guid><dc:creator>Josh WHEALY</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/273/Windsor-Link-Railway-3D.dgn"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../Windsor-Link-Railway-3D.dgn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The sectional elevation line is rotated 90 degrees in the image above to show that there is a rise and fall, otherwise all you&amp;#39;d see in top view is a straight line.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391761?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:43:32 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:1190b32a-0591-421c-9df3-3864461f36a3</guid><dc:creator>Jon Summers</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Josh Whealy&amp;quot;]Right now they&amp;#39;re both 2D. The long section line contains the positional Z information[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m not sure I understand that.&amp;nbsp; How can a 2D line contain Z information?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you post your DGN file?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391756?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:21:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:0e776950-dd3d-4a04-9625-b543c5d04309</guid><dc:creator>Josh WHEALY</dc:creator><description>Right now they&amp;#39;re both 2D. The long section line contains the positional Z information and the over head plan contains the X and Y. Merging the two accurately is what I&amp;#39;m trying to do.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391751?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:11:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:3eb19eee-72a4-4ffb-85ea-c835470fd3f7</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;are either of the red lines 3d?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391619?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:31:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:100ab9f2-2ffe-4ab5-86d2-52bedcd26d86</guid><dc:creator>Makai Smith</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;A parametric approach using GenerativeComponents would work as well.&amp;nbsp; Array points at even intervals along both lines, then creating a new set of points that take the X &amp;amp; Y from the plan and Z from the section. The 3D curve could then be drawn as a fitted BSplineCurve.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Merge Rail Long Section with Overhead Plan Route</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/391615?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:54:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:99bbcc38-8d13-47b7-a4ac-0caceda38240</guid><dc:creator>Erik Mendoza</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;If I am to understand your problem, you want to add the z-values of the bottom line to the complex line at the top, is that correct? Here are some options which may help you achieve this: &lt;a href="/products/microstation/w/microstation__wiki/16120.how-to-move-elements-to-different-z-elevation"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../16120.how-to-move-elements-to-different-z-elevation&lt;/a&gt;. I&amp;nbsp;think the top option will be the most helpful.&amp;nbsp;Let me know if none of these work for you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>