Delete Vertex: Deleting Multiple Vertices - Connect U4

To add to this frustration, just in case anyone else is watching this... Connect will also delete vertices (when not prompted and with no warning) while in the Break Element commands. This is not good and Bentley has still not responded about the original issue that I had.

Hi Daniel!

I believe Bentley was trying to making the tools smarter.

If the angle between 3 vertices was 180, the middle vertices was not necessary, and could be removed (so it is now). 99% of the users applauded this so far. Vertices are to show a break in the direction/straightness of a vector. There is a limit of 5000 points for shapes and lines so (I guess) they thought this would be a good thing to do. Not all users work the same so it would be nice if you could toggle this action on/off as you would like. maybe as a Tool Setting or in User Preferences. The action you note happens when the element is copied or paralleled/offset. have you made the suggestion in the Suggestions area ?https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/i/drafting_and_detailing

The more backing you get, the sooner the change will happen.

Hi Daniel!

I believe Bentley was trying to making the tools smarter.

If the angle between 3 vertices was 180, the middle vertices was not necessary, and could be removed (so it is now). 99% of the users applauded this so far. Vertices are to show a break in the direction/straightness of a vector. There is a limit of 5000 points for shapes and lines so (I guess) they thought this would be a good thing to do. Not all users work the same so it would be nice if you could toggle this action on/off as you would like. maybe as a Tool Setting or in User Preferences. The action you note happens when the element is copied or paralleled/offset. have you made the suggestion in the Suggestions area ?https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/i/drafting_and_detailing

The more backing you get, the sooner the change will happen.

George,

Smarter tools is great. I applaud that as well. However, the tools we are talking about are not called 'Delete Vertex - and other vertices based on a routine that runs without your knowledge'. Same goes for the break element tools. Besides, have you (Jose from above) or even Bentley thought that there are users out there that might need those points along the same bearing and do not need them being removed by a tool that does not say it is going to be doing this.

Just a side note... If someone is on Microstation and they have 3 vertices with an angle of 180 and they don't want that middle vertex, is that not why there is a delete vertex tool? Otherwise, based on what you are saying, shouldn't Microstation just auto delete that the instant the line is created.

Sorry Daniel

I am one of those users who like that new action. But I do know there are users that don't do what I do, so I can see your point. That's why I like the Tool Settings, or User Preference option I mentioned, to turn this off, or possibly a separate tool to remove all unnecessary vertices, rather than one at a time, because there may be several hundreds of these extra vertices.

Might be good to know, Why do you need these extra/existing vertices? Educate us!

Thank you... This has been a major thorn considering everyone likes tool change.

I work for a survey company where we do much of our mapping through Lidar/point cloud data. The client will want 25' sections and in order to gather that from our point clouds we have an alignment with a point at every 25'. So there might need to be a line with a single bearing at a distance of 230' with more than 11 vertices on it. I could type many more examples... but that would take a long time. Most if it has to do with client demands and surfacing.

I know I will sometimes insert colinear vertices to indicate information such as lane widths in section. I have inserted them as construction points. I have inserted vertices to develop additional client information (much like Daniel). The whole point is that, many times, if there are "extra" vertices, it's because they were placed on purpose and I want them there.

Thanks for sharing, Dan & Mary!

I am assuming the use of the Active Points tools, or an Associated Shared Cell for those extra (collinear vertices) locations, doesn't work, or is too much extra work. The extra points act as Markers. These Markers are removed using the Copy/Move parallel and the Delete Vertex tools. They aren't lost if the element is moved. So an option in those tools, or in a Users Preference, that would prevent the loss of collinear vertices, is what you are suggesting. I don't think the other users would be opposed to extra options. Extra options are always great! But Bentley may say it Works as Designed, and for the extra work they have to do they would need more users to want that feature. I would vote for it, because I now see a use for it. But till they do, you will probably have to find another option for now.