Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 16:28:21 GMT

I was finally able to migrate to the latest Update 11, but the problem persisted. I realized that upon opening the file in CE, the message window showed that it was reading some transeed.dgn other than the default transeed.dgn. It was related to a workset that I had set up at some point, even though I was opening the file with no workset. I was able to resolve this by repairing the installation and overwriting the .ucf and .upf files, and starting fresh. Now, when I attach the files in CE, they come in perfectly aligned with the .dgn graphics, but when I open it in V8i, it is shifted. This is apparent not only by the graphics, but in the reference manager, it shows an Offset X, Y, and Z of -178956.971. Setting the values to zero shifts the shapefiles back to the correct location. But then, when save it and open that file in CE, it now shows them shifted again with the inverse Offset X,Y, and Z values of 178956.971. Again, setting the values back to zero shifts them back into place.

So, it seems that there's some difference in the way the two versions read the prj files, or it there's a seed file that manages it, but I cannot find where to specify which transeed.dgn is used to translate the .prj file.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Lorys — Tue, 04 Dec 2018 11:08:47 GMT

the shape file has a projection defined, how can mstn attach said file correctly without a cgs defined ?

And if one used the same projection for both dgn and shp this would help to remove some variables as the cause of it not working.

More over others have reported that it indeed shifts in CE using the files as supplied, again applying the same cgs that is used in the shp files should make it work correctly and no shift in either versions... so it would seem CE is misreading the prj file interpretation or the way msnt CE is reading where the data in in the dgn...

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 14:15:07 GMT

Thanks Jan. I haven't updated to 11 yet because of another issue I am currently on with Bentley Tech Support. As soon as I get that resolved, I will try and let you know. It seems to me that that V8i and CE are reading and applying the .prj files differently.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jan Šlegr — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 06:10:19 GMT

Hi Jason,

[quote userid="433378" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/171584/attaching-a-shapefile-in-microstation-connect-vs-v8i/494662"]Please let me know if I can provide anymore information.[/quote]

Because everything seems work on my computer (and I am not Bentley support ;-), no more information is required by me.

But your idea to check the seed file makes sense, I guess it would be tested again not only with the seed file, but also with the same setting of Windows national settings, because sometimes things like decimal separator, units format etc. are inherited to code from Windows (especially in NET), so it makes sense to check whether there is a dependency or not.

Are you able to migrate to the latest Update 11 and to check the design file again?

With regards,

Jan

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jan Šlegr — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 06:07:10 GMT

Hi Lorys,

whether GCS is assigned to master or not is not important in this discussion (despite of it's recommended), because it's about why the same file is displayed correctly in V8i and not in CONNECT Edition.

When there is not GCS used, references are attached 1:1, so there is no shift. When the same file is opened in another version, the result has to be the same and references cannot be shifted.

Moreover, when all all files uses the same GCS, it's not important whether GCS is used or not, so it likely not help in the discussion.

Regards,

Jan

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Lorys — Sat, 01 Dec 2018 02:12:24 GMT

I looked at your file its in us survey feet but no CGS coordinate system applied to it .. mstn cannot align other refs even shp files if your base file has no datum and coord system..., the shape files have prj files and you can read this with note pad and it tell gis and cad what the datum and projection is and units for the shp files... then microstation will reproject these to match the existing datum projection which yours does not have... I looked inside the prj files they both have the CGS NAD 83 HARN

so you can add a CGS to your active file even though your using survey feet and I can only see us feet in the prj in msnt assign a datum try CGS NAD 83 HARN this should then align all the files.. also your using display set I wouldnt when trying to test things as display sets force levels off etc....

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Bob Rayner — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 21:40:17 GMT

That's what my CEr11 did the first time, shapefile was way up NE, subsequent tries and/or exit re-open seemed to fix it. Inconsistent, frustrating to diagnose.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:30:37 GMT

Thanks for trying. For me the references come in at 1:1 every time in both V8i and CE. In V8i the shapefiles align with the dgn and in CE they're shifted to the northeast, with or without projection defined in the dgn.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Bob Rayner — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 18:46:14 GMT

Was curious, so I tried this. DGN with georeference, referenced shape file in the same part of the world. File came in with a scale of 3.28xxx, closed file reopened, now it's 1:1, and correct. Sometimes when I attached the shapefile, it might show 1:1 in error. Try checking/forcing your shapefile to 1:1, see if it doesn't align. Or simply attach, close, re-open.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:53:31 GMT

Hi Manoj,

Please see reply to Jan above. Thanks for your help, and please let me know if I can provide any more information.

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 15:52:47 GMT

Hello Jan,

Thanks for your reply. After reading your response, I thought maybe the issue was related to the seed file. So I created a new dgn in Microstation Connect with the Microstation default 3D Imperial Design seed. I attached as reference the dgn I sent to you and the two shapefiles. The two shapefiles are shifted to the northeast from the referenced dgn. See screenshot below.

Then I open the same file in Microstation V8i SS3, the shapefiles appear aligned correctly with the dgn. See screenshot below.

Then I open the same file in Descartes Connect Update 3 and they are shifted again to the northeast.

Applications used:

Microstation V8i SS3 V08.11.09.655

Microstation Connect Update 10 V10.10.0023

Descartes Connect UPdate 3 V10.03.0018

Thanks for your help. Please let me know if I can provide anymore information.

Jason

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Manoj Sahani — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:49:09 GMT

Hi Jason,

I've verified attached dgn in both, MicroStation V8i and CE and observed the same result. i.e. shp files are shifted away in both versions.

I am requesting you to provide some more details (steps or a video clip) so that I can investigate it more.

Thanks for reporting,

Manoj

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jan Šlegr — Fri, 30 Nov 2018 06:53:19 GMT

Hi Jason,

[quote userid="433378" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/171584/attaching-a-shapefile-in-microstation-connect-vs-v8i/494471"]I've attached the dgn and two shapefiles for you to try.[/quote]

I am not able to simulate the described issue:

The DGN you attached shows shifted SHP files both in V8i and CONNECT Edition.
When created a new file in V8i and units changed to the same as you use (because I live in metric world), no problem with attachment.
The same file opened in CONNECT Edition is still fine.

Product used for testing:

MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries 4)
MicroStation CONNECT Edition Update 11

No other applications / extensions installed and active.

[quote userid="433378" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/171584/attaching-a-shapefile-in-microstation-connect-vs-v8i"]in Microstation Connect or Descart Connect[/quote]

Please specify exactly what product versions do you use. There are 12 versions of MicroStation CE avaialble and several Descartes versions as well. They span several years of software development, so to discuss original MicroStation and the current Update 11 is like to discuss completely different products in some areas.

With regards,

Jan

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Jason Rhodes — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 22:18:09 GMT

Manoj, thanks for your reply. I've attached the dgn and two shapefiles for you to try.

Thanks for your help!

Jason

communities.bentley.com/.../20180830_5F00_BluePrint_5F00_Landuse_5F00_MC_5F00_CCD_5F00_Local.zip communities.bentley.com/.../ShapefileAttached.dgn communities.bentley.com/.../Parcels_5F00_Federal.zip

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Manoj Sahani — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:04:25 GMT

Hi Jason,

We are very sorry for your inconvenience. Please send this data set to verify the issue.

Thanks,

Manoj

RE: Attaching a Shapefile in Microstation Connect vs V8i

Lorys — Thu, 29 Nov 2018 08:55:27 GMT

you need to post this file here for sombody to check or contact bentley support for a secure upload....