Why doesn't CE View allow you to 'Copy to Clipboard'?

I have noted that this was previously discussed by yourself a while ago which resulted in Defect # 354633. This defect has been looked at by our development team and deemed to be Working As Designed. Bentley View is a viewer and not something a user should expect to be performing a Copy&Paste within.

http://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/f/273/t/114750

Hi Andrew,

Andrew Bell said:

Bentley View is a viewer and not something a user should expect to be performing a Copy&Paste within.

despite of I am not using clipboard copy/paste in Bentley products too often, I strongly disagree with the decision and such justification. To remove already implemented feature from a product, especially when it existed in the past, just makes the product worse and UX worse ... and user more dissapointed, which is something that unfortunately CONNECT Edition from its release is about.

I think clipboard support is not required for "certified for Windows" by Microsoft, but it's expected any Windows application supports it and as Mark noted, viewing software like Adobe Reader supports it ... and it's not only Reader, which makes the justification void.

I can imagine a lot of workflows and situations where to use "copy from View" makes sense. It's not about how Stuart use it, but e.g. when documents are created, to copy graphics inside them is big help. Do you recommend to use complete MicroStation to do it? To capture picture is not alwyas proper solution.

With regards,

  Jan

There are other viewers that give you the ability to copy to clipboard so this omission seems a bit surprising, and just a little bit annoying, especially as they would have consciously had to think about the reveal. 

Copy to clipboard was WAD in the SS4 version and not an oversight, so why the change?

Andrew - Perhaps you would like to answer this one?

Hi Stuart,

As a viewing application, we only allow viewing of the file and do not allow you to copy the elements to the clipboard and then paste them into a authoring application.  This would minimize any potential issues of something going incorrectly when copying to the clipboard outside of MicroStation and then back into the DGN, I suggest you reference the file into your DGN and then use the MicroStation Copy tools.

Thanks,

Daniel Eng

Hi Stuart,

As a viewing application, we only allow viewing of the file and do not allow you to copy the elements to the clipboard and then paste them into a authoring application.  This would minimize any potential issues of something going incorrectly when copying to the clipboard outside of MicroStation and then back into the DGN, I suggest you reference the file into your DGN and then use the MicroStation Copy tools.

Thanks,

Daniel Eng

Dan,

You are missing the point! The SS4 version of View allowed Copy to Clipboard, so you have consciously though to remove this really useful tool for the CE version. Why do you only allowing viewing in CE View when SS4 view allowed it. Why the change?

Dan Eng said:

This would minimize any potential issues of something going incorrectly when copying to the clipboard outside of MicroStation and then back into the DGN,

Works fine with the SS4 version so see no issues with this.

Dan Eng said:

I suggest you reference the file into your DGN and then use the MicroStation Copy tools.

I don't want to reference. I just want to open View and transfer information from one program to another. I don't understand the problem with this. 

Hi Stuart,

Thank you for the feedback.  Please keep in mind this is the initial release of Bentley View CONNECT Edition and we will have regular updates.  So if this is functionality that you and others would like to see, then please create an Idea and we can evaluate it.

Thanks,

Daniel Eng

Dan Eng said:

Please keep in mind this is the initial release of Bentley View CONNECT Edition and we will have regular updates.

Is it? I'm sure that my version says Update 11, although I will check.

Dan Eng said:

So if this is functionality that you and others would like to see, then please create an Idea and we can evaluate it.

Sounds like a plan!

Hi Dan,

Dan Eng said:

As a viewing application, we only allow viewing of the file and do not allow you to copy the elements to the clipboard and then paste them into a authoring application.

with all respect, I totally disagree with your explanation. I am not able to find any logic in the justification: Bentley View is viewing application, so the most of (maybe 99%?) of installations is on computers where there is no "authoring application". But you explain a lack of functionality using Stuart's workflow, which is, in the context of View users, probably very rare. Such explanation is more a tergiversation, especially when the functionality existed in the past ... and probably all other vieweing applications, regardless CAD or common office apps, offer it as a standard functionality.

Dan Eng said:

This would minimize any potential issues of something going incorrectly when copying to the clipboard outside of MicroStation and then back into the DGN

Maybe it would be more efficient to design and implement copy tool in a professional way and at similar level as competitive products offer it? I have been working with Bentley products for nearly 30 years, doing literally everything from support and sales to development and on-site consultancy and customatization, and inability to efficiently copy an element from one file to another has been discussed ... hmmm ... all this time?

I think Stuart uses the described workflow and the clipboard because he wants to use View in not standard way, but it's "simply to be used" workaround, because Bentley do not offer proper functionality in core product.

Dan Eng said:

This would minimize any potential issues of something going incorrectly when copying to the clipboard outside of MicroStation and then back into the DGN, I suggest you reference the file into your DGN and then use the MicroStation Copy tools.

Do you use MicroStation on some real project? There is a model with plenty of (tens and hundreds) nested references, thousand of levels, so when a reference will be attached (again with many references and levels), you have to change MicroStation setting (probably open a new view, switch off unwanted levels, find the element in complex model...) to navigate to the element and be able to copy it somehow, which sometimes will require to break MicroStation setting, workflows or MicroStation customization (Global Display...).

Instead of very vague formulation, can you provide exact step by step description how to do it using reference, on real project? I have discussed it with my customers several times in the past and we always ended with at least several not very simple and intuitive steps. So maby be your recommendation is valid and better, because a shortcut exists and I have overlooked it.

With regards,

  Jan