[CE12] Titleblocks and Tags

I was reading through the CONNECT online help and I noticed that Tags are now considered deprecated. I previously used Tags in my Titleblocks however I am now left wondering what users are now utilising instead for titleblock text?

Also, when I was last using MicroStation, I created a VBA project in Excel with which I was able to import Tag information from DGN files, edit the tag values and export updated values back to the DGN files. Is the replacement for tags (Item Types?) something that can be as easily manipulated via Excel VBA?

  • It would break too much to eliminate tags.

     I am not sure it would break to much to eliminate something, it is just impossible to eliminate something without a file format change. The fact that they exist in this current file format and could still be created with tools in a prior version makes it impossible to remove them. There is a path to deprecation first it is to remove them from the UI, then remove the tools allowing new to be created and allowing tools to modify them then also make a path to upgrade to the replacement but until they have a file format change its impossible to fully deprecate a thing that exists.

    Intellitrim

    I am curious why you think the new tools are not better than this one. Also deprecation/replacement of a tool is very much different /easier than deprecation/replacement of a element type

    Its a pretty slick operation but I'm not sure the proposed tool is going to come close.

    Yeah I agree I think their workflow needs some work.

    ~HTH

    John.

    yep

  • I am curious why you think the new tools are not better than this one. Also deprecation/replacement of a tool is very much different /easier than deprecation/replacement of a element type

    In my view, Intellitrim is far superior to the current Tim Multiple tool for the following reasons

    • It had a simple and advanced mode to clearly differentiate the type of operation.
    • Once a Cutting/Extension target element has been defined, the simple mode for trim and extend requires a 2 point click to define the elements to trim/extend whereas Trim Multiple requires a drag operation. Its my personal preference that the 2 point click is a more enjoyable experience and the drag is well.... a drag really
    • The Advanced mode gave the user a clear visual indicator of cutting elements and elements to be trimmed or cut. It also worked with predefined selection sets and allowed the user choose whether the selected elements were elements to be trimmed/extended or cutting elements, Trim Multiple does not give such flexibility.
    • You could also toggle the trim results if more than 1 result was possible.

    As such the Trim Multiple pales in comparison to Intellitrim (IMHO) plus I find the tool icons quite unintuitive yet my own custom icons which I used for Intellitrim were so much easier for me to discern. So overall, the replacement tool gave us absolutely no benefits that we didn't already have and I've yet to read anything proving that it does something Intellitrim did not.

  • Once a Cutting/Extension target element has been defined, the simple mode for trim and extend requires a 2 point click to define the elements to trim/extend whereas Trim Multiple requires a drag operation. Its my personal preference that the 2 point click is a more enjoyable experience and the drag is well.... a drag really

    If you are only defining one element to trim or extend then a drag line is not needed. click on the trim line, click on the line to be trimmed, no accept, just pick a new line to trim or rest to complete or pick a new command. two data point is all that's needed no drag line involved or extra click to accept the operation.

    ~HTH

    John.

    yep

  • If you are only defining one element to trim or extend then a drag line is not needed.

    Whilst that is true that wasn't what I said as the purpose of both Trim Multiple and Intellitrim is to operate on more than 1 element in a single operation. If I was only trimming or extending a single element then I would use Trim To Element and not Trim Multiple.

  • Then what was your point in stating the dragline was required and a drag and the intelitrim only required 2 points which as you state is a more enjoyable experience?

    ~HTH

    John.

    yep