I have a base file that is 30 scale with cells at that scale. The base is referenced into many sheets at 30 scale & all the cells are fine. I have one sheet that is 50 scale but I cannot get the cells to show up at 50 scale in the sheet view, they are still 30 scale, even though in the default view they are fine (showing up at 50 scale) as soon as I toggle to sheet view they go back to 30 scale. I can't figure out what setting (s) I need to adjust. Thanks!
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Joan Hadley said: The base is referenced into many sheets at 30 scale & all the cells are fine
Is this referenced 1 to 1 or scaled onto the sheet via detail scale?
Joan Hadley said:I have one sheet that is 50 scale but I cannot get the cells to show up at 50 scale in the sheet view, they are still 30 scale
Joan Hadley said: even though in the default view they are fine (showing up at 50 scale)
Just so I understand. If you are in the default model (this is the model where the cells live)and toggle annotation scale from 1=30 to 1=50 then the cells scale accordingly? If they do scale accordingly and you then open the 30 scale sheet model are the cells still correct (default model was set and saved at 50 scale)?
so here is the setup. I have a base dgn set at 30 scale - cells look great and I can change the scale here & the cells scale up or down. I have individual dgn's that the base is referenced into at 1:1. and the scale is set in the model (default) of each of these individual dgn's to the scale that I will need the sheet view to be mostly, 30 scale, but one at 50 scale. regardless of which scale I make the default in the individual dgn's, the cells will either scale up to 50 or remain at the 30 scale like they are in the base dgn. once I go into the sheet view the cells drop back to 30 scale for some reason. I am not using the "use active annotation scale" for the reference because the sheet view scale is 1 to 1. If I go into the base dgn & change the scale to 50 then all the sheets that are 30 scale have the cells too big. I hope I answered your questions
I can recall some issues with annotation cells scaling (or not) when using them in nested references, but I can't remember if we figured it out, or just ignored it because the project had to get out the door.
What you're doing sounds correct - attach the drawing with cells to your default (collector) and adjust annotation scale there to the appropriate size, then reference that into a sheet without applying annotation scale so that things appear as they do in the collector. That sounds like it should work. But I think that's where we ran into issues as well and I have no idea if we ever found a fix for it.
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As I understand, your base dgn is at 1:30 scale & you are referencing it with 1:1 ref scale in sheet where annotation scale is set to 1:50. You are keeping "Use Active Annotation Scale" toggle in reference is OFF.
In this case, cells will be scaled with 1:30 scale as "Use Active Annotation Scale" toggle in reference is OFF. So cells will follow annotation scale of your base dgn, i.e. 1:30, though the reference scale is 1:1. If you want to scale the cells by 1:50 then you need to turn ON Use Active Annotation Scale" toggle in reference.
If you are still facing scaling issue, please share the dgn. I will investigate further.
shared base.dgnshared sheet.dgn
hopefully you can open these...and things will look they way they look here. thanks!
what you had suggested did not fix the issue.
What I'm seeing is not what you're seeing.
When I open these files, the size of the circle on the Iron Pipe Found cell (IPF) is the same, no matter what the annotation scale is set to. The text associated with it goes up and down, but the circle stays the same size.
Looking at that text, however, I can see what you mean. In the base, the text appears as "30 scale" text (I assume). In the default/collector, the text is about 1.67 times that size (which would be the correct proportion between 30 scale and 50 scale). In the sheet that same text is scaled back to 30 scale proportion.
I believe you are correct that you do not want the default/collector model reference to use annotation scale. It looks as if you have everything controlled by your default model so you don't need override any of that when it gets attached to the sheet. From my perspective, you are using that setting the same way I would.
This looks like the same issue we ran into - where "Use Annotation Scale" seems to only work with a direct attachment; Files nested into a collector will revert back to their source annotation scale factor when the collector is referenced into a sheet.
Which version of the software are you using?