[CONNECT] Missing bentley library utilities in CONNECT version.

There are currently no plans to recreate these free MDL tools for use in MicroStation CONNECT Edition as many of the operations have already been included as basic functionality either in MicroStation or a Companion / Power product. One item that was requested from the Civtools MDL was the Set Element Elevation tool which was included in Update 12.

https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/b/microstation_blog/posts/new-in-microstation-connect-edition-update-12---set-element-elevation-tool

AreaTool is to get a Wiki or Blog to help explain how this can be achieved in MSCE

Detailer Tool - Enhancement 906762

CellTool - Enhancement 961769 & 961795

MkRefsRelative tool - Enhancement 701296

I hope this information is of assistance.

Hi Andrew,

Andrew Bell said:

There are currently no plans to recreate these free MDL tools for use in MicroStation CONNECT Edition

In my opinion a correct formulation "Bentley do not want to create the tools for CE and try to convince users CE tools are better".

In the past, it was also discussed several times whether Bentley can provide source codes as open source (when they have been treated useleses when there is no reason for migration), so community could try to migrate the code or rewrite it for CE, but these discussions have not any results.

Andrew Bell said:

as many of the operations have already been included as basic functionality either in MicroStation or a Companion / Power product.

Can you please provide simple 1:1 table with mapping what CE tool is replacement for what V8i library tools asked by Oto?

I know some blogs exists that try to explain how to reach similar functionality and results using standard CE tools, but my feeling is (and I received similar information from my customers) that the tools are often more complicated (so there is a cost and time required for implementation) and they require more clicks and settings to reach some results that are often not the same as in V8i.

Andrew Bell said:

I hope this information is of assistance.

No, it's not. Bentley does the migration as complicated as possible.

When so many users ask for CE versions of the tools and complains this lack of functionality breaks their workflow, Bentley's reaction is "There are new and better tools in CE" but not real help. It's not mentioned the new tools often require extra configuration, better understanding of dgnlib, and requires more mouse clicks from users and letting users to try to find all necessary information about such functionality like blogs or discussions, where old tools worked simply "load and use".

When you told there is functionality avaialble, please provide to us "a mapping table" for the discussed tools what can be replaced by what tool and where (blog, wiki, docs) the migration process is described. Blogs desribing theoretically how new features work without a context of real data and engineering design workflow maybe interesting for CAD admins, but are useless for users who need to do their work and deliver outputs.

With regards,

  Jan

Hi Andrew,

Andrew Bell said:

There are currently no plans to recreate these free MDL tools for use in MicroStation CONNECT Edition

In my opinion a correct formulation "Bentley do not want to create the tools for CE and try to convince users CE tools are better".

In the past, it was also discussed several times whether Bentley can provide source codes as open source (when they have been treated useleses when there is no reason for migration), so community could try to migrate the code or rewrite it for CE, but these discussions have not any results.

Andrew Bell said:

as many of the operations have already been included as basic functionality either in MicroStation or a Companion / Power product.

Can you please provide simple 1:1 table with mapping what CE tool is replacement for what V8i library tools asked by Oto?

I know some blogs exists that try to explain how to reach similar functionality and results using standard CE tools, but my feeling is (and I received similar information from my customers) that the tools are often more complicated (so there is a cost and time required for implementation) and they require more clicks and settings to reach some results that are often not the same as in V8i.

Andrew Bell said:

I hope this information is of assistance.

No, it's not. Bentley does the migration as complicated as possible.

When so many users ask for CE versions of the tools and complains this lack of functionality breaks their workflow, Bentley's reaction is "There are new and better tools in CE" but not real help. It's not mentioned the new tools often require extra configuration, better understanding of dgnlib, and requires more mouse clicks from users and letting users to try to find all necessary information about such functionality like blogs or discussions, where old tools worked simply "load and use".

When you told there is functionality avaialble, please provide to us "a mapping table" for the discussed tools what can be replaced by what tool and where (blog, wiki, docs) the migration process is described. Blogs desribing theoretically how new features work without a context of real data and engineering design workflow maybe interesting for CAD admins, but are useless for users who need to do their work and deliver outputs.

With regards,

  Jan

Bentley's reaction is "There are new and better tools in CE" so we set the price for CONNECT versions(Opensite,Openroads) even higher but from user perspective there is no real advantage to justify migration. Mostly upgrade is done because of new DWG format support.

Ok, I will collect list of workflows where areatool and civiltools is used now so we could see what is replacement in CONNECT.