v8i SS10 and application support

I'd be interested in an "InRoads SS2"-SS10. I'm sure I'm not alone...

The day is finally here for the end of the old licensing and I guess no one at Bentley was listening. Looks like if you are still using SS2 for projects (like we are) it will now start incurring an additional $25 fee per quarter with no way around it. It boggles my mind how out of touch Bentley seems to be with the user base by only updating InRoads SS4 products to SS10. I can't imagine many DOTs or consultants ever went to using SS4 over SS2. 

I don't know about that program specifically, but the way I understand it, for now it will continue to work but will cost an additional $25 per quarter per machine. Eventually that will end too and from what I gather you will have to purchase some kind of node lock per machine to keep using the old software. 

I'm still trying to understand why you would ever choose SS2 over SS4/10 so many bug fixes and tweaks why not just go back to VJ or XM.  I except not wanting to move into CE but the last release of a build is the most stable and best polished.

The jump from InRoads SS2 to SS3 is where they changed to InRoads with OpenRoads technology so it's not a direct switch to go from SS2 to SS4. Current projects would have to be upgraded and it would require extra work to port over our workspaces which would be a waste time while we are in the process of building a workspace in OpenRoads Designer. Also our main DOT client has be using SS2 up until the beginning of this year where they are now switching to ORD due to the planned depreciation of the Select Server.   

I'm all for going to ORD, but my experience with using it so far is it still has a lot of bugs and is far from stable for production. It also takes hundreds if not thousands of hours to build the workspace to do what we need. We've had someone that spent the last year doing almost nothing but building a new workspace for ORD and after starting to use it I'm finding that it still needs work. 

If we use SS10 then we are not charged the additional fees. Is that right?

Probably not the best place to discuss this, but ORD 2020 Release 3 is by far the most stable and complete version by far.

Is there something specific? If you're going to eventually make the move there's no need to hold on to SS2 IMO (and thats from a MX user)

Probably not the best place to discuss this, but ORD 2020 Release 3 is by far the most stable and complete version by far.

Is there something specific? If you're going to eventually make the move there's no need to hold on to SS2 IMO (and thats from a MX user)

We are stuck with SS2 for a little while longer at least, but we are trying to make the transition.

On ORD I spent a couple weeks laying out a drainage system and it would lock up and crash several times a day. Then structures that I deleted would come back or do strange things. The pipe size and slope popup was only correct in one view. The lock flowline to structure setting was really buggy on if it was going to work or not. It doesn't show pipes correctly in the plan view in that it will only show a single line and not the pipe size. It's been a few weeks since I was actively working on that project so those are just a few things off the top of my head. 

The performance of the 3D graphics was also slower than I expected considering I was only displaying drainage structures at the time. I'm not sure if it's a program issue or my hardware. I'm running an RTX2080 graphics card with an i7-9700K and 32 GB of ram. It wasn't terrible, but it sure wasn't smooth when trying to pan around the view with any rendering turned on for the structures. 

Depending on which version of MS-CE the version of ORD your using is running on will greatly impact it's performance.  Up to MSCE-U10 it was hot garbage, and even then I would estimate it is still improving with every release 13.2 and beyond was "reasonable"  I wont deny that CE can still be much slower alot of this is how it handles reference files the v8i practice of having as many references as you want are gone for us at least we remove those references we don't need between models.  Simply turning them off doesn't help anymore.

That said the 64-bit software is a god send the last big project we did (in v8i) we could only turn on around 2/3 of a sand tower to generate drawings this was around 40 models and 500mb of reference data anything over this and the software would dump a memory exception.

Our latest (Even bigger) project we can turn on the entire project currently at 300 or so models totaling 3.5gb and it takes a while but it does open and we can generate drawings of the entire plant in one go.  No it's not ideal and it's slow as crap with that much information but at least it's an option.