Microstation U14 does not show existing Tags

I have Files, where U14 german does not show Tags, this is confirmed for several Files and Installations from my collegues.

The same Files worked with older Versions like SS10.

SR is on the way - we really need a version 14.1 for this bug, waiting for U15 is completely unacceptable !

The problem may be related with the Tag Range of these Elements, if I add new Tags in the same Files everything seems to work OK.

  • Declare a file as corrupt is a pretty easy solution

    Sorry, I am not interested in further discussion when the argument against evidently wrong element ranges of tags is "it's easy solution".

    SS10 can work with it and does not show any signs of corruption

    It's not any proof. MicroStation is quite robust and is able to tolerate many types of errors. But even when they are not presented, it does not mean they do not exist. When you do not see microbes (and they do not cause any problems in many situations), they also do not exist?

    therefore I expect U14 to work with these files the same way.

    It's not the case of CONNECT Edition generally, sometimes because of bugs, sometimes because workflows and tools have been changed and sometimes CE is less tolerant. Depending on context, some these changes looks fine, some cause troubles.

    This is a example file, it does not show Tags and changes to them.

    The file is weird. It's true it seems it works in V8i SS10, but twice my installation crashes (which does not happen for very long time and many other files). I do not see any difference between U13 and U14, both seems to behave in the same way (but maybe I missed something).

    How tags were created? All of them have incorrect range values. And it's well described issue that when the range is not correct (in this case it's not about correct / incorrect, but complete nonsense), MicroStation in any version behaves wrongly.

    In my opinion the cell should be recreated (tags detached / attached and ranges should be checked) before any further testing.

    With regards,

      Jan

  • U13 and SS10 seems to work.

    I found how to duplicate the issue (both in U13 and U14), which has not been discussed yet in this thread (you should provide such description and duplication workflow).

    I think is crucial to analyze where the problem is:

    1. Initial state: The tags are displayed correctly. (important: it's NOT the provided file)
    2. In this state, tags have correct ranges.
    3. In CE U13 or CE U14 (older versions not tested), use Edit Tags tool to display table with tags in tag set.
    4. After OK is pressed (it's not necessary to edit any tag), the tags are modified to have incorrect ranges and are not displayed.

    This issue is not simple "tags attached to cell" , because when I tested it with some my files, it works fine. But the tag sets have not so many tags. Maybe it causes the problem?

    With regards,

      Jan

  • We have created a Defect 1095465, for our development team to look into it.

     

    Please note it was found the behavior is file specific. I use the following steps and the problem goes away.

    • Run “mdl load fixrange” and “mdl load verifydgn; verifydgn repair” on the problem file “test_Default.dgn”
    • Create a new file “test.dgn”, reference the problem file “test_Default.dgn” into it and Reference Merge.
    • Try Tag editing on “test.dgn” file and it works.
    • Tested the cell “MSTN_Pur.cel > Kopf_Pur” in “test.dgn” and cannot reproduce.

       

  • There is no verifydgn for connect:

    Enhancement # 785410 has previously been raised to "Add Verifydgn in CONNECT edition or produce a similar tool"  2018

    And it is not only 1 file, there are thousands at the customers site, there is no chance to use this repair workflow.

    The Migration of the customer to MS connect depends from this, as it is critical for their workflow.