Cannot ungroup - It deletes.

Hi,

I am trying to ungroup a cell, but doing so deletes the entities. Has anyone seen this before?

Any ideas greatly appreciated, thanks.

  • We may need more information to help you narrow down the problem. Let's start with which version (full version number) of MicroStation you are using.

    You talk about "ungroup", but then you mention "cell". Are you talking about dropping a Graphic Group, ungrouping a Group of elements, or Dropping a cell? What element type are you dealing with, and what tool are you using?

    What entities are being deleted? Does the entire cell disappear? Could there be elements on a level that is turned off? Are these Tag elements? What exactly, precisely is happening?

    Is it possible this is what's happening? https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/66766/when-drop-shared-cell-the-wording-all-disappeared/172224#172224

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  • post a small copy of  your dgn so we can analyze it.. to give you the  right answer ... but meanwhile try drop shared cells to normal cells ( make back up file first)

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  • When you hover over a selection of entities that have been grouped, it refers to them as a cell. Sorry if I am using the wrong terminology. Anyway, attempting to ungroup a selection of previously grouped entities/cell results in their deletion instead. However, after much experimentation, I discovered that the group/cell that I was trying to ungroup could not be isolated in the display, as it had been. Only with everything in the model visible was the ungrouping possible. Not ideal.

  • What tool are you using to "ungroup" the cell?
    The correct tool for that is "Drop Complex", which has several settings that may or may not be part of the issue.

    There is also a known issue that dropping a cell with tags which can cause those tags to be deleted. If your elements are tags, that could be part of the problem.

    Is there any way to post a small sample drawing of what you have, and give us the exact steps with the exact tools, in order, for what you are doing?

    MaryB

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  • Hi Robert,

    If you have isolated the grouped entities/cell, the group/cell is part of the active displayset. When you ungroup, the cell is gone and no longer part of the active displayset. The elements that were included in the group were only visible in the displayset when the group/cell existed, but once ungrouped they aren't considered members of the displayset.

    To ungroup the elements you select the group/cell and press Ctrl-U. The elements that made up the group will remain selected , but won't be part of the displayset. To add them back to the displayset do the following:

    1. Immediately after ungrouping, open the View Control Pop-up Menu.
      The menu pops up when the Reset button is clicked while the <Shift> key is held down.
    2. Pick Displayset>Add from the pop-up menu to add the selected elements to the currently active displayset.

    The elements that made up the group/cell should now be visible again.

    Regards,
    Ron

    Answer Verified By: Robert Ryan