I have received a model from a client I believe originally drawn in Openbuilding. I have opened this model in Microstation (V8 DGN) part of the model is showing a solid and another part appears to be wire frame. How can I view the wireframe part as a solid. Please spell it out as I am not familiar with Microstation and do not quite follow the way the program works as new to using Microstation. What we are considering doing which might resolve is upgrading the license to Aecosim. Would this resolve or is there steps to view the model in Microstation.Note 1: When selecting the wireframe part it appears to select the whole wire frame as though it were a solidNote 2: I am unable to screenshot or share file due to contract confidentiality
Hi William,
William Marshall said:Openbuilding
It's always best to follow Forum best practices and tell the forum which version of the programs are you using. The solution (if any) isn't always the same.
Openbuilding by it's name is a Connect Edition version of the program.
William Marshall said:I have opened this model in Microstation (V8 DGN) part of the model is showing a solid and another part appears to be wire frame
Without knowing anything more, one possible issue is parametric modeling operations were used in Openbuild Connect Edition version.
Both programs Microstation CE and Openbuilding CE have this capability. This isn't available in V8 so the solid appear as wireframe if they were model using this type of operations.
Possible solutions:
1 - On your version use the "Drop" command with "Extended Element" checked to convert them to smart solids.
2 - Upgrade your Microstation version to a Connect Edition version.
3 - Ask the client to use the "Drop Element" command with "Application Elements" checked to convert this "wireframe" solids (in fact they should be parametric solids) to smart solids, after that, in V8 version you can see them as solids.
4 - You can override the display of any element inside Microstation, so in fact you can see one solid filled and another one look a like and as wireframe display. This is controled by "Properties" dialog under Extended \ Display Style.
Hope this helps and regards
José
There are probably a few things going on here, so there may not be a single, simple solution to your issue.
Plain Microstation may not be able to modify design elements created with OpenBuildings, and if it can, it could cause problems to the point of breaking the design. I am not familiar with OpenBuidlings, but I assume that it is similar to OpenRoads - the design is saved into the actual elements themselves as part of a comprehensive design model.
The "wireframe part" may not be a single element that can be rendered as solid. It is quite possible that it is a collection of single elements grouped together within OB to represent a design feature. If that is the case, you would need to create an actual surface/solid/mesh/etc. that could be displayed the way you want.
There is an actual forum for OB/AECOsim where people may be better able to answer your question: https://communities.bentley.com/products/building/building_analysis___design/f/aecosim-speedikon-forum
You can actually Move this post over to there.
MaryB
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in my opinion, without sharing an example, it's impossible to analyze the issue, because parts (cells) from OBD are often complex and can consists from different elements in varying structure.
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Jan
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Jose Pinho said:Without knowing anything more, one possible issue is parametric modeling operations were used in Openbuild Connect Edition version.
Model was created using generative design methodology from what I understand. That being said it affects one end (generative modeling). The ends on both sides are solid while the middle piece in middle s appearing wireframe.
Jose Pinho said:Both programs Microstation CE and Openbuilding CE have this capability. This isn't available in V8 so the solid appear as wireframe if they were model using this type of operations.
Jose Pinho said:2 - Upgrade your Microstation version to a Connect Edition version.
Load screen specifies MS CE update 15. Title Bar shows following example: XXXXXX.dgn [2D - V8 DGN] - Microstation
William Marshall said:Note 2: I am unable to screenshot or share file due to contract confidentiality
also included is zoomed in screenshot (which protects confidentiality) example of the problem showing WF and S
Jose Pinho said:Possible solutions: 1 - On your version use the "Drop" command with "Extended Element" checked to convert them to smart solids. 2 - Upgrade your Microstation version to a Connect Edition version. 3 - Ask the client to use the "Drop Element" command with "Application Elements" checked to convert this "wireframe" solids (in fact they should be parametric solids) to smart solids, after that, in V8 version you can see them as solids. 4 - You can override the display of any element inside Microstation, so in fact you can see one solid filled and another one look a like and as wireframe display. This is controled by "Properties" dialog under Extended \ Display Style.
I will try these solutions and see if it resolves. I am not familiar with the interface or working steps to complete a task though as my background is with Autodesk software. I have only recently had this installed in order to open up clients drawings 2D & 3D.
MaryB said:here are probably a few things going on here, so there may not be a single, simple solution to your issue.
See my answers to Jose Pinho above, which may give further insight.
MaryB said:Plain Microstation may not be able to modify design elements created with OpenBuildings, and if it can, it could cause problems to the point of breaking the design.
Not looking to change the origional design. Only add to design with new elements(awaiting requirement if this is required) or convert to other software formats with which I am more knowledgeable.
MaryB said:The "wireframe part" may not be a single element that can be rendered as solid. It is quite possible that it is a collection of single elements grouped together within OB to represent a design feature. If that is the case, you would need to create an actual surface/solid/mesh/etc. that could be displayed the way you want.
Client is using OB and appears fine on their side. The model is linked to Projectwise. Could this be a factor?. They refuse to give us access for confidentiality reasons.
MaryB said:There is an actual forum for OB/AECOsim where people may be better able to answer your question: https://communities.bentley.com/products/building/building_analysis___design/f/aecosim-speedikon-forum
could it be copied there instead to have greater exposure in both places MS & OB/AS for possible solution