How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

diablo_666_2 — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 14:23:46 GMT

It seems like it is related to that, the current design that I'm working related to the global origin, is indeed more that 22 km of distances, however with the option of "Expand the Clipping Panels Active" normally should be working properly. I also update the driver from Windows Update expecting any improvement, but no, I still have that "zigzag" looking on shaded views.

At the moment I'm just dealing with it...

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Oto — Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:56:05 GMT

Maybe it is related to this issue?
communities.bentley.com/.../zig-zag-edges-in-shaded-views

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Oto — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 19:20:09 GMT

How to check which adapter s actually used Intel or Nvidia?

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Jan Šlegr — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 14:30:21 GMT

[quote userid="2432" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/664323"]Did you get a chance to update your driver from https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/177764/en-us and try your workflow?[/quote]

Good idea, but my experience is that - depending on notebook manufacturer - it can work fine, but can be risky, when anything not perfectly standard exists in notebook internal implementation...

Regards,

Jan

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Hyung Kim — Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:31:56 GMT

I noticed that your driver version is a bit older than 471.41. Did you get a chance to update your driver from https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/177764/en-us and try your workflow?

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Jan Šlegr — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 14:58:37 GMT

Thanks for the details!

I do not see anything obviously wrong, and even when I compared it with mine notebook, equipped with GeForce GTX1050, the numbers look similar.

Some differences exist:

Your driver is slightly newer
From the screen capture it seems you HW/SW configuration does not allow to use Hardware accelerated GPU scheduling.

But they are not reason for wrong display (even when sometimes specific Nvidia drivers causes problems in MicroStation in the past).

Regards,

Jan

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

diablo_666_2 — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 14:26:22 GMT

Here GLSTATS:

QVision version 03.42.17 - 24.Jun.2016, 32-bit (cvs)

Seurat Context [1]:
Image Format = 8-bit int per band
Depth Format = 32-bit float
1 or more adapters support interface
adapter on monitor 10001 supports interface 10

Direct3D11 Context for hwnd 13121a on adapter 0:
HAL/hardware Device (generation 0)
Feature Level 11.0
Shader Model 5
Graphics Card Driver from NVIDIA
maximum number of lights: 16
additional clip planes: 16
largest texture: 16384 by 16384
D3D capabilities:
occlusionQuery 1
scissorTest 1
uvwSupport 1
colorMask 1

System Information:
Computer:
Name: ######-##-CAD08
Mfgr: LENOVO
Model: 20HH0018GE
OS:
System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Arch: 64-bit
Version: 10.0.19043
Memory: 7.81 GB
Processor:
Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7820HQ CPU @ 2.90GHz
Addr: 64
Cores: 4
Graphics Adapter 1:
Name: NVIDIA Quadro M2200
Mode: 1920 x 1080 x 32-bit color @ 60 Hz
Memory: 4095.00 MB
Drivers: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvlt.inf_amd64_91f4c43bb194a2cd\nvldumdx.dll,C:\WINDOWS\
System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nvlt.inf_amd64_91f4c
Version: 27.21.14.6230
Date: Montag, 5. April 2021 00:00
Feature: D3D11 Feature Level 11.1
RastAvl: D3D11 D3D9 SEURAT
DevID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1436&SUBSYS_224D17AA&REV_A1
Graphics Adapter 2:
Name: Intel(R) HD Graphics 630
Mode: 1920 x 1080 x 32-bit color @ 60 Hz
Memory: 1024.00 MB
Drivers: C:\WINDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\iigd_dch.inf_amd64_8829ad0eb26b3ef6\igdumdim64.dll,C:\WI
NDOWS\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\iigd_dch.inf_a
Version: 27.20.100.9320
Date: Mittwoch, 7. April 2021 00:00
Feature: Unknown
RastAvl:
DevID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_591B&SUBSYS_224D17AA&REV_04\3&11583659&0&10
Monitor 1:
Name: HP 24e Display
Adapter: 1 (NVIDIA Quadro M2200)
Origin: 0, 0
Size: 1920 x 1080
PPI: 96 x 96
Monitor 2:
Name: HP 24e Display
Adapter: 1 (NVIDIA Quadro M2200)
Origin: 1920, 0
Size: 1920 x 1080
PPI: 96 x 96
Main Window:
Origin: -8, -8
Size: 1936 x 1066
On Monitor: 1
Time Zone:
(UTC+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague
Direct3D Runtime:
Version: 11.0
QVision:
Version: 03.42.17 - 24.Jun.2016
Runtime: 32-bit (cvs)
Rasterizer: D3D11 Feature Level 11.0
PixDraw: 998.3 MPx/s (1920 x 1080)
PixShdwVol: 51836.7 MPx/s (1920 x 1080)
Init Time: 01:34:38 PM Mon Aug 02 2021

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Jan Šlegr — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 13:52:55 GMT

Hi,

thanks for the details.

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/664018"]As I mentioned early, me and my co-workers have this issue since the last update on Windows 10[/quote]

I read you original question and (maybe because I am not native speaker, so "lost in translation") that from the last Windows Update, the graphic card control was changed to Windows, not that the problem with MicroStation begun.

It's not complete!

When you open 3D DGN, more information should be displayed in the statics. Most of them are system information, but a few of them can be valuable to know.

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/664018"] Also maybe is interesting to consider as well the following: [/quote]

In general, laptop can never be as good as workstation, because both processor and graphics card are limited (unless "workstation laptop" machine is used). When talking about MicroStation performance, form "normal notebooks" the best would be some gaming, preferably in combination AMD processor (because current models are substantially better than anything from Intel) and AMD graphics card (because providing better DirectX performance, which is what MicroStation uses).

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/664018"]however I'm using regular USB 3.0 cable and the connector on the mobile is USB-C, how this should be impacted to the video card?[/quote]

As Oto wrote, charging using USB-C is limited to 100W currently (future standard will change it), whereas real consumption can be higher. To compare standard charger and UBS-C makes sense, on the other hand you wrote it was fine in the pat.

Regards,

Jan

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Oto — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 11:23:52 GMT

USB-C charging can provide only up to around 100W of power while power adapter for Laptop is somewhere around 180W.

MSI GS75 with RTX 2060 for example in Contextcapture gets benchmark score only 22 when on USB-C charging and around 160 score when using real power adapter. 5x times difference. Try without dock.

There is stupid implementation of USB-C charging even if battery is full it doesn't allow to run it on battery power for demanding tasks so performance is limited.

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

diablo_666_2 — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 11:09:45 GMT

Thank for comment.

According to Nvidia Control panel I have active Quadro Video Card
According to Windows, I have set "High Performance" for MicroStation
Indeed, this is a Lenovo Laptop, now I have used around 3 years and working great except now after some Updates from Windows, I do have from time to time my cellphone charging, however I'm using regular USB 3.0 cable and the connector on the mobile is USB-C, how this should be impacted to the video card? Also maybe is interesting to consider as well the following:
- I'm using a Laptop
- I'm using a Dock
- I'm using two monitors though HDMI-Display Port

As I mentioned early, me and my co-workers have this issue since the last update on Windows 10, I use another laptop that was not updated yet (not used around 6 months) and the looking of same files where as it should.

I retrieve this for GLSTATS so far:

QVision version 03.42.17 - 24.Jun.2016, 32-bit (cvs)

Seurat Context [1]:
Image Format = 8-bit int per band
Depth Format = 32-bit float
1 or more adapters support interface
adapter on monitor 10001 supports interface 10

Direct3D11 Context for hwnd 4b0cf2 on adapter 0:
HAL/hardware Device (generation 0)
Feature Level 11.0
Shader Model 5
Graphics Card Driver from NVIDIA
maximum number of lights: 16
additional clip planes: 16
largest texture: 16384 by 16384
D3D capabilities:
occlusionQuery 1
scissorTest 1
uvwSupport 1
colorMask 1

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Oto — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 10:50:47 GMT

Make sure that you are actually using Nvidia GPU and not integrated.

Is this a laptop or a desktop? If it is newer laptop then don't use USB-C charging.

i7-7820HQ CPU seems to be for mobile.

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Jon Summers — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:15:06 GMT

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/663949"]this a comparison when no reference loaded and references loaded[/quote]

Like Jan, I'm struggling to see the point you're trying to make. The difference between your screenshots seems to be the presence or absence of some background detail.

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card/663949"]is anyway to retrieve GLSTATS in Windows 10 without Admin rights?[/quote]

The cited article instructs you to set Windows environment variable QV_GLSTATS. If Windows wants you to have Admin rights to set a permanent variable, then that's the way it is.

You could try this: open a Windows command window and change to the MicroStation folder. Set that variable in the command window and start MicroStation...

set QV_GLSTATS=1
MicroStation.exe

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

diablo_666_2 — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 08:00:35 GMT

Maybe I'm being picky, but this a comparison when no reference loaded and references loaded, the representation of the elements looks like integrated graphic card.

When I have more elements in place, section cuts are getting this representation. Fortunally, when send it to print we don't have that issue. Also realize from time to time when I move a section clip and switch between windows, MS crash.

Also, there is anyway to retrieve GLSTATS in Windows 10 without Admin rights?

RE: How to improve Display Performance on MS V8i under Windows 10 with NVIDIA Quadro Video Card?

Jan Šlegr — Mon, 02 Aug 2021 07:35:51 GMT

Hi,

What is wrong with the picture? Without further information, it!s just "some plant / piping model".

[quote userid="298592" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/217483/how-to-improve-display-performance-on-ms-v8i-under-windows-10-with-nvidia-quadro-video-card"]There is something that can be done to improve the performance?[/quote]

It's hard to say when you do not describe what your problem is ("performance" is not very exact description).

MicroStation (both V8i and CE) is DirectX based software, so you should check (in the card settings as well as in e.g. NVIDIA forum(s)) whether you can optimize NVidia settings specifically for DirectX performance. Problem with NVIDIA is (or maybe it was, not sure about the current situation) they focus in raw performance and OpenGL / OpenCUDA, but not too much on DirectX, when for some cards and drivers they even lied about DirectX features support (because added as software layer to drivers, not supported correctly by a card itself).

I recommend to start with collecting GLSTATS (detail log how MicroStation is able to access graphic HW). It can be used for a discussion with Bentley support, whether anything can be configured better.

With regards,

Jan