What is actually a "Graphic Group"?

Hi.

I see 2 ways to create a Group in MicroStation:

- Group

- Named Group.

Group is very limitated because I understand we cannot add/remove elements later. And it is basically a Cell.

I understand that "Graphic Group" is a Named Group...

Because tools such as "Add to Graphic Group" and "Remove From Graphic group" are only for "Named Groups".

http://www.mdlapps.com/microstation/ustnhelp286.html#F26021

There is also "Graphic Group Lock" (ON /OFF) for Named Groups.

Why Bentley differenciates between Graphic Group and Named Group? is not the same? Is the old name of Named Group?

Thanks.

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  • I see 2 ways to create a Group in MicroStation:

    - Group

    - Named Group.

    the worst is that it is one dialog - in my view - "Add to Graphic Group" there you have to switch on the Option "Named Group" . Without you get GG, with the option an NG.

    That is confusing.

    Named Groups allow dependencies and "active" and "passive" members.

    The worst is though that you can not copy that "Named Group" (or create a cell from it) ( it is a longstanding request) - In effect the Named Groups are not useable in practice.

    You can copy GGs (it increases the GG Number)

    Also - to confuse new users ? - there is the "Group" command which effectively creates an (unnamed) cell. (You can give it a name later in the properties)

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  • In effect the Named Groups are not useable in practice.

    I strongly disagree with such general statement, especially because I know users that use NG daily.

    It does not mean that NG is not usable for you.

    The worst is though that you can not copy that "Named Group"

    Similarly to Jon I do not quite understand what do you mean by "copy NG":

    • Definition of NG is copied, so I have two exactly the same definitions?
    • A content of NG is copied, so elements are duplicated?
    (or create a cell from it) ( it is a longstanding request)

    I do not recall I saw such request in ideas, but they are many of them, so maybe I missed it.

    The request sounds interesting, but is not simple, because NG allows "far referencing", when elements in NG can be from active model, and from direct/nested references. So more conditions have to be fulfilled to allow to create a cell from NG content.

    Also - to confuse new users ? - there is the "Group" command which effectively creates an (unnamed) cell.

    Well, it's a result of history and only limited "good words" in language. Do you have any idea how one or second tool should be renamed?

    Regards,

      Jan

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  • In effect the Named Groups are not useable in practice.

    I strongly disagree with such general statement, especially because I know users that use NG daily.

    It does not mean that NG is not usable for you.

    The worst is though that you can not copy that "Named Group"

    Similarly to Jon I do not quite understand what do you mean by "copy NG":

    • Definition of NG is copied, so I have two exactly the same definitions?
    • A content of NG is copied, so elements are duplicated?
    (or create a cell from it) ( it is a longstanding request)

    I do not recall I saw such request in ideas, but they are many of them, so maybe I missed it.

    The request sounds interesting, but is not simple, because NG allows "far referencing", when elements in NG can be from active model, and from direct/nested references. So more conditions have to be fulfilled to allow to create a cell from NG content.

    Also - to confuse new users ? - there is the "Group" command which effectively creates an (unnamed) cell.

    Well, it's a result of history and only limited "good words" in language. Do you have any idea how one or second tool should be renamed?

    Regards,

      Jan

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