Scaling

create a sub model and self ref the master model and attach it at a scale of  1/2"= 12 " or 1:24  ( ie 1"=24" ) or create a saved view of the master model and attach that as a ref  with 1:24 scale in the ref manager. . btw  what units is your design file in? We are metric here Australia so scaling is really easy....

How are you using your title block or sheet frame paper outline will also affect what steps to do?

Hi Lorys,

I have been trying the for weeks and cant get the sheet model to work can you help me with this?

Thankstest1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn

Can't get it to work, how?

Hello Mr. Lothian,

Can't get it to work when trying to create a sheet model and a simple landscape 11"x17" border sheet.

Post a screenshot of your DGN showing which part of the drawing should be visible on the sheet

Never mind, watch this to get the idea. I don't normally have 'murican' sheet sizes or scales in my config but I added the ANSI B and 1/2" = 1'-0" for this test. I don't think your proposed scale is correct, as you can see, you would not be able to fit a titleblock on the sheet. I just picked part of the DGN file which would be closest to fit the sheet at the scale, made a saved view (as I always do) and attached that as a reference file. Nothing difficult about it at all.

Be sure to right-click on the animation below, and Open in New Tab to view full size

Never mind, watch this to get the idea. I don't normally have 'murican' sheet sizes or scales in my config but I added the ANSI B and 1/2" = 1'-0" for this test. I don't think your proposed scale is correct, as you can see, you would not be able to fit a titleblock on the sheet. I just picked part of the DGN file which would be closest to fit the sheet at the scale, made a saved view (as I always do) and attached that as a reference file. Nothing difficult about it at all.

Be sure to right-click on the animation below, and Open in New Tab to view full size

Hello,

Thanks for the video I will study this more and if I have more problems do you mind if i can ask you? Can you add the ansi b border?

I cant enlarge your video with chrome or window explorer it only allow to open a image in a new tap also is there away to pause this it is super fast.

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Yes feel free although there are others who will help you out as well.

Do you not have a workspace that is set up with all the Sheet sizes and scales that you need?

If you have a custom workspace then these files may be already customised and exist in a different location. Interogate the variables to determine where they are located.

• Sheet sizes : Are stored (by default) in a file called sheetsizes.def set by the variable MS_CUSTOMSHEETSIZEDEF . The file is normally found in C:\ProgramData\Bentley\MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries)\WorkSpace\System\data\sheetsizes.def
• Scales : are configured in a file called scales.def set by the variable MS_CUSTOMSCALEDEF . The file is normally found in C:\ProgramData\Bentley\MicroStation V8i (SELECTseries)\WorkSpace\System\data\scales.def

My sheetsizes.def looks like this (you can see most of the imperial stuff is commented out by the # symbol (i.e. makes it not visible to chose) aside from the ANSI B which I added for your test case)

#   Name              		 Units           Height          Width    TopMargin   LeftMargin  BottomMargin    RightMargin
#Roll paper sizes.
#ANSI A ;                          Inch;          8.5;            11;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ANSI B ;                          Inch;          11;             17;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#ANSI C ;                          inch;          17;             22;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#ANSI D ;                          inch;          22;             34;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#ANSI E ;                          inch;          34;             44;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;

# Architectural Sizes
#Arch A ;                        Inches;           9;             12;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#Arch B ;                        Inches;          12;             18;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#Arch C ;                        Inches;          18;             24;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#Arch D ;                        inches;          24;             36;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#Arch E ;                        inches;          36;             48;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
#Arch E1 ;                       inches;          30;             42;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;

ISO A0 ;	            millimeter;	        841;           1189;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A1 ;	            millimeter;	        594;	        841;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A2 ;	            millimeter;	        420;	        594;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A3 ;	            millimeter;	        297;	        420;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A4 ;	            millimeter;	        210;            297;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A3 (V) ;	            millimeter;	        420;	        297;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;
ISO A4 (V) ;	            millimeter;	        297;            210;      0.00;       0.00;       0.00;           0.00;

My Scales.def looks like this (I re-added the bottom scale for your test otherwise it only contains metric scales):

#-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# MicroStation Standard Scale Examples
#
#   Name        Scale      System
Full Size 1=1 ;     1:1;         1,2,3  # Full Size 1=1
1:2 ;     2:1;         2      # 1:2
1:5 ;     5:1;         2      # 1:5
1:10 ;     10:1;        2      # 1:10
1:20 ;     20:1;        2      # 1:20
1:25 ;     25:1;        2      # 1:25
1:50 ;     50:1;        2      # 1:50
1:100 ;     100:1;       2      # 1:100
1:200 ;     200:1;       2      # 1:200
1:250 ;     250:1;       2      # 1:250
1:500 ;     500:1;       2      # 1:500
1:1000 ;     1000:1;      2      # 1:1000
1:1250 ;     1250:1;      2      # 1:1250

1/2"=1'-0";     24:1

That should be enough to get you sorted.

When I need scaled details for a sheet, I create a separate design model for my desired scale. In your case I would create a 1/2" = 1'-0" scale model, and I would go into the Model Properties to set the Annotation Scale to 1/2" = 1'-0". I make sure to turn the Annotation Scale Lock ON, so that the annotation scale controls my notes and dimensions (which are defined by default for 1:1). The Annotation Scale will manage the text and dimension sizes so that I do not have to worry about making any changes.

Now I draw my detail at "real size" (1:1) and I annotate it as desired.

I create a blank sheet drawing and set that model property annotation scale to 1:1. I attach my sheet border (which is usually either a cell or a reference file) at 1:1 (true size), and I can go back to the sheet model properties to select the matching sheet size. If my border is a reference, I can even tell MicroStation to use that for my sheet boundary definition.

Now I can attach my detail, and Microstation will use both the detail and the sheet annotation scale to apply the correct scale factor.

The nice thing about this is, if I need to add a 3/4" scale detail to me sheet, I can create another design model and set that annotation scale to 3/4", draw to true size and annotate, and it will also scale correctly onto the sheet.

Hi,

Thanks I say that.

Yep Barry was correct your model space drawing is too big to fit the entire drawing at 1:24 or 1/2"=1' on a 11"X 7" sheet

I double checked by measuring inside your model top to bottom approx 1500 ft  so a reduction of 1:24   not be enough of a reduction

I had to attach it 1:1 and set the sheet annotation scale  to 1" is to 100' or a scale of 1:1200  see print dialog...(or about 50 times smaller than 1:24) to fit the entire drawing  plane FYI there was a stray circle  that fit view made it even bigger ... I made it portrait rather than rotate the ref was easier for me...

if you only  wanted a portion for enlarged detail then 1/2"to 1 ft or 1:24 annotation scale  would make the drawing  look bigger but only cover a smaller area  you would need to define a clip boundary shape similar to acaders use a view port.. doing saved view of a specific area sort of creates a view port.. I hate imperial units did I mention that?  so hard to work out text sizes without Leroy tables .. in metric we have mm to m so its just ratios of 1:1000 xs the scale you want  and if you annotation scale  you just choose text size  and annotation scale does the rest....

2364.test1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn

I have resent  your file after I have played with it. .your text style  looks like it was metric  3 units? or 3 ft ?  not sure your usa text heights and annotation scale....