Hi,
I am currently using microstation ss3 ver 8.11.09.578 and my drawing is scaled to 1:1. I would like a scale of 1/2"=1'-0". Can someone show me the calcs and the steps how to do this?
Thanks
create a sub model and self ref the master model and attach it at a scale of 1/2"= 12 " or 1:24 ( ie 1"=24" ) or create a saved view of the master model and attach that as a ref with 1:24 scale in the ref manager. . btw what units is your design file in? We are metric here Australia so scaling is really easy....
How are you using your title block or sheet frame paper outline will also affect what steps to do?
Lorys
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Hi Lorys,
I have been trying the for weeks and cant get the sheet model to work can you help me with this?
Thankstest1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn
MicroStation V8i (SELECT series 3) - Version 08.11.09.578
Microstation Connect 10.14.00.109
Hello,
Thanks for the video I will study this more and if I have more problems do you mind if i can ask you? Can you add the ansi b border?
I cant enlarge your video with chrome or window explorer it only allow to open a image in a new tap also is there away to pause this it is super fast.
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Yes feel free although there are others who will help you out as well.
Do you not have a workspace that is set up with all the Sheet sizes and scales that you need?
If you have a custom workspace then these files may be already customised and exist in a different location. Interogate the variables to determine where they are located.
My sheetsizes.def looks like this (you can see most of the imperial stuff is commented out by the # symbol (i.e. makes it not visible to chose) aside from the ANSI B which I added for your test case)
# Name Units Height Width TopMargin LeftMargin BottomMargin RightMargin #Roll paper sizes. #ANSI A ; Inch; 8.5; 11; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ANSI B ; Inch; 11; 17; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI C ; inch; 17; 22; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI D ; inch; 22; 34; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI E ; inch; 34; 44; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; # Architectural Sizes #Arch A ; Inches; 9; 12; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch B ; Inches; 12; 18; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch C ; Inches; 18; 24; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch D ; inches; 24; 36; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch E ; inches; 36; 48; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch E1 ; inches; 30; 42; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A0 ; millimeter; 841; 1189; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A1 ; millimeter; 594; 841; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A2 ; millimeter; 420; 594; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A3 ; millimeter; 297; 420; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A4 ; millimeter; 210; 297; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A3 (V) ; millimeter; 420; 297; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A4 (V) ; millimeter; 297; 210; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00;
My Scales.def looks like this (I re-added the bottom scale for your test otherwise it only contains metric scales):
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # MicroStation Standard Scale Examples # # Name Scale System Full Size 1=1 ; 1:1; 1,2,3 # Full Size 1=1 1:2 ; 2:1; 2 # 1:2 1:5 ; 5:1; 2 # 1:5 1:10 ; 10:1; 2 # 1:10 1:20 ; 20:1; 2 # 1:20 1:25 ; 25:1; 2 # 1:25 1:50 ; 50:1; 2 # 1:50 1:100 ; 100:1; 2 # 1:100 1:200 ; 200:1; 2 # 1:200 1:250 ; 250:1; 2 # 1:250 1:500 ; 500:1; 2 # 1:500 1:1000 ; 1000:1; 2 # 1:1000 1:1250 ; 1250:1; 2 # 1:1250 1/2"=1'-0"; 24:1
That should be enough to get you sorted.
When I need scaled details for a sheet, I create a separate design model for my desired scale. In your case I would create a 1/2" = 1'-0" scale model, and I would go into the Model Properties to set the Annotation Scale to 1/2" = 1'-0". I make sure to turn the Annotation Scale Lock ON, so that the annotation scale controls my notes and dimensions (which are defined by default for 1:1). The Annotation Scale will manage the text and dimension sizes so that I do not have to worry about making any changes.
Now I draw my detail at "real size" (1:1) and I annotate it as desired.
I create a blank sheet drawing and set that model property annotation scale to 1:1. I attach my sheet border (which is usually either a cell or a reference file) at 1:1 (true size), and I can go back to the sheet model properties to select the matching sheet size. If my border is a reference, I can even tell MicroStation to use that for my sheet boundary definition.
Now I can attach my detail, and Microstation will use both the detail and the sheet annotation scale to apply the correct scale factor.
The nice thing about this is, if I need to add a 3/4" scale detail to me sheet, I can create another design model and set that annotation scale to 3/4", draw to true size and annotate, and it will also scale correctly onto the sheet.
MaryB
Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918Power InRoads 08.11.09.918OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2
Thanks I say that.
Yep Barry was correct your model space drawing is too big to fit the entire drawing at 1:24 or 1/2"=1' on a 11"X 7" sheet
I double checked by measuring inside your model top to bottom approx 1500 ft so a reduction of 1:24 not be enough of a reduction
I had to attach it 1:1 and set the sheet annotation scale to 1" is to 100' or a scale of 1:1200 see print dialog...(or about 50 times smaller than 1:24) to fit the entire drawing plane FYI there was a stray circle that fit view made it even bigger ... I made it portrait rather than rotate the ref was easier for me...
if you only wanted a portion for enlarged detail then 1/2"to 1 ft or 1:24 annotation scale would make the drawing look bigger but only cover a smaller area you would need to define a clip boundary shape similar to acaders use a view port.. doing saved view of a specific area sort of creates a view port.. I hate imperial units did I mention that? so hard to work out text sizes without Leroy tables .. in metric we have mm to m so its just ratios of 1:1000 xs the scale you want and if you annotation scale you just choose text size and annotation scale does the rest....
2364.test1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn
I have resent your file after I have played with it. .your text style looks like it was metric 3 units? or 3 ft ? not sure your usa text heights and annotation scale....
Appreciate your help to this I still trying to figure all this out, The dgn drawing you provided me with the dimension shown is incorrect. If you take those numbers and divide it by 24 those would be the correct field measurements.
Once we get that then we need to pick the correct English architect scale to fit on a 11"x17" paper I think a 1/8"=1'-0"
Steve Smith said:Appreciate your help to this I still trying to figure all this out, The dgn drawing you provided me with the dimension shown is incorrect. If you take those numbers and divide it by 24 those would be the correct field measurements.
Its the drawing you provided.. look inside the model space not the sheet model..
All I did was ref attach it to a sheet model 11x17 and set the annotation scale to 1:24 and try to fit the entire design onto the sheet which needed to have a bigger number for the scale ... if you only wanted a portion of the big drg then you should have drawn a yellow box around the section you want as a detail at 1:24 scale.. we cannot read your mind you need to help us to help you.
The dims by the way are your dims I didnt change anything in your model dgn except to delete a circle also you have lots of missing xrefs...
Hello Lorys,
I appreciate all your help to this and am learning this. Getting information from various people has made it difficult to follow one says this the other says that. I know that there are many ways to solve this but I want the easiest way and the less complication the better.
So, I current made some revision to my previous post so I will try to explain better what I am looking to accomplish.
I am working with microstation v8i ss3 version MicroStation V8i (SELECT series 3) - Version 08.11.09.578 and all measurements are in ft.
I currently have 2 border/title block one which is 24”x36 and “11x17” and my layout which is 1:1.
From this I would like my layout drawing which is 1:1 be scaled to 1/8”=1’-0” for the 11”x17” and for the 24”x36” be scaled to ½”=1”-0” and reference the scaled drawings to the title blocks (I hope this ½”=1’-0" for a 24”x36” will fit)
I will add the text later and here is no georeferenced data that will be used t it is just a plan dgn drawing..
I think the problem I am having is referencing the file some how this is not working.
I have tried my best it is time to ask the experts.
If something is not clear enough, please let me know.
4682.24x36landscape.dgn
11x17.dgn
1015701timecustomPreliminary_D_2D.dgn
I am using MicroStation V8i (SELECT series 3) - Version 08.11.09.578 to do this.