Hi,
I am currently using microstation ss3 ver 8.11.09.578 and my drawing is scaled to 1:1. I would like a scale of 1/2"=1'-0". Can someone show me the calcs and the steps how to do this?
Thanks
create a sub model and self ref the master model and attach it at a scale of 1/2"= 12 " or 1:24 ( ie 1"=24" ) or create a saved view of the master model and attach that as a ref with 1:24 scale in the ref manager. . btw what units is your design file in? We are metric here Australia so scaling is really easy....
How are you using your title block or sheet frame paper outline will also affect what steps to do?
Lorys
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Hi Lorys,
I have been trying the for weeks and cant get the sheet model to work can you help me with this?
Thankstest1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn
MicroStation V8i (SELECT series 3) - Version 08.11.09.578
Microstation Connect 10.14.00.109
Yes feel free although there are others who will help you out as well.
Do you not have a workspace that is set up with all the Sheet sizes and scales that you need?
If you have a custom workspace then these files may be already customised and exist in a different location. Interogate the variables to determine where they are located.
My sheetsizes.def looks like this (you can see most of the imperial stuff is commented out by the # symbol (i.e. makes it not visible to chose) aside from the ANSI B which I added for your test case)
# Name Units Height Width TopMargin LeftMargin BottomMargin RightMargin #Roll paper sizes. #ANSI A ; Inch; 8.5; 11; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ANSI B ; Inch; 11; 17; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI C ; inch; 17; 22; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI D ; inch; 22; 34; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #ANSI E ; inch; 34; 44; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; # Architectural Sizes #Arch A ; Inches; 9; 12; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch B ; Inches; 12; 18; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch C ; Inches; 18; 24; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch D ; inches; 24; 36; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch E ; inches; 36; 48; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; #Arch E1 ; inches; 30; 42; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A0 ; millimeter; 841; 1189; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A1 ; millimeter; 594; 841; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A2 ; millimeter; 420; 594; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A3 ; millimeter; 297; 420; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A4 ; millimeter; 210; 297; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A3 (V) ; millimeter; 420; 297; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; ISO A4 (V) ; millimeter; 297; 210; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00; 0.00;
My Scales.def looks like this (I re-added the bottom scale for your test otherwise it only contains metric scales):
#------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # MicroStation Standard Scale Examples # # Name Scale System Full Size 1=1 ; 1:1; 1,2,3 # Full Size 1=1 1:2 ; 2:1; 2 # 1:2 1:5 ; 5:1; 2 # 1:5 1:10 ; 10:1; 2 # 1:10 1:20 ; 20:1; 2 # 1:20 1:25 ; 25:1; 2 # 1:25 1:50 ; 50:1; 2 # 1:50 1:100 ; 100:1; 2 # 1:100 1:200 ; 200:1; 2 # 1:200 1:250 ; 250:1; 2 # 1:250 1:500 ; 500:1; 2 # 1:500 1:1000 ; 1000:1; 2 # 1:1000 1:1250 ; 1250:1; 2 # 1:1250 1/2"=1'-0"; 24:1
That should be enough to get you sorted.
When I need scaled details for a sheet, I create a separate design model for my desired scale. In your case I would create a 1/2" = 1'-0" scale model, and I would go into the Model Properties to set the Annotation Scale to 1/2" = 1'-0". I make sure to turn the Annotation Scale Lock ON, so that the annotation scale controls my notes and dimensions (which are defined by default for 1:1). The Annotation Scale will manage the text and dimension sizes so that I do not have to worry about making any changes.
Now I draw my detail at "real size" (1:1) and I annotate it as desired.
I create a blank sheet drawing and set that model property annotation scale to 1:1. I attach my sheet border (which is usually either a cell or a reference file) at 1:1 (true size), and I can go back to the sheet model properties to select the matching sheet size. If my border is a reference, I can even tell MicroStation to use that for my sheet boundary definition.
Now I can attach my detail, and Microstation will use both the detail and the sheet annotation scale to apply the correct scale factor.
The nice thing about this is, if I need to add a 3/4" scale detail to me sheet, I can create another design model and set that annotation scale to 3/4", draw to true size and annotate, and it will also scale correctly onto the sheet.
MaryB
Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918Power InRoads 08.11.09.918OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2
Thanks I say that.
Yep Barry was correct your model space drawing is too big to fit the entire drawing at 1:24 or 1/2"=1' on a 11"X 7" sheet
I double checked by measuring inside your model top to bottom approx 1500 ft so a reduction of 1:24 not be enough of a reduction
I had to attach it 1:1 and set the sheet annotation scale to 1" is to 100' or a scale of 1:1200 see print dialog...(or about 50 times smaller than 1:24) to fit the entire drawing plane FYI there was a stray circle that fit view made it even bigger ... I made it portrait rather than rotate the ref was easier for me...
if you only wanted a portion for enlarged detail then 1/2"to 1 ft or 1:24 annotation scale would make the drawing look bigger but only cover a smaller area you would need to define a clip boundary shape similar to acaders use a view port.. doing saved view of a specific area sort of creates a view port.. I hate imperial units did I mention that? so hard to work out text sizes without Leroy tables .. in metric we have mm to m so its just ratios of 1:1000 xs the scale you want and if you annotation scale you just choose text size and annotation scale does the rest....
2364.test1customPreliminary_D_2D-backup.dgn
I have resent your file after I have played with it. .your text style looks like it was metric 3 units? or 3 ft ? not sure your usa text heights and annotation scale....
Agree 98% with Mary's steps.Instead of creating a second DESIGN MODEL, I suggest this is the purpose of the DRAWING MODEL, i.e. a place to annotate drawing elements.
Bonus: DRAWING MODELs are always 2D and therefore annotation elements will always be viewed correctly on 3D objects.
Then REFERENCE the DRAWING MODEL into the SHEET MODEL to build your border.
My workflow:Model Name = Model Type = Description of contentM01 = DESIGN MODEL = Design at 1:1
D01 = DRAWING MODEL = References M01 with added Annotations (Dims, Leaders, 2D elements overlayed on the Design, etc.) At 1:1 (using annotation scale, or scaled with annotations 1:1)
S01 = SHEET MODEL = Drawing Borders, Title Text and Revision text, Notes, Legends, Key Plans etc.
Greg Smith
Microstation 10.17.01.058
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