Basic problem: There is the "Markup"-Dialog in MicroStation.
How can a Reviewer create a file that can be used there?
According to this it is now possible to do a PDF Design review
(1) 2D Design Review and Markup - Licensing, Cloud and Web Services Wiki - Licensing, Cloud and Web Services - Bentley Communities
Is it in the meantime possible to Markup DGN Files and and later use these Markups through the microStation Markup Dialog
(This functionality was available in the late Bentley Navigator V8i and Bentley Redline)
I am missing this functionality.
Why? Am I the only one here? Example: If you have to add or correct numbering (like e.g. Circuit Numbers, Room Numbers, actually any numbering on a drawing or design) you need to REWRITE every number reading it from the PDF.
Or am I missing something?
(BTW. If you search for Markups and/or Overlay or Design Review you are getting a lot of outdated information in the communiities)
I will ask this question -again- in the microStation Forum as I have not yet found a satisfying answer.
DIALOG TOOLBOX REDLINE TOGGLE to see the tools
I believe navigator or projectwise navigator took over from the old Bentley redline years ago to create redline review files which create the markup but its not as good as the old red line as I believe you can't draw in it just notes which are then visible in the Markup tools with keyin .. so without said Navigator software its a pretty useless feature. you can use flag without Navigator , but you use up a microstation license to add a flag/ comment in a dgn as you have to open the dgn to do it.....
... at my work we just use Bluebeam Studio review which uses your pdfs and allows people on network to all at the same time add redlining , notes comments, questions and it keeps track of who did what... so on one screen I open the bluebeam pdf review and onthe other screen I have microstation and I make all the changes to the dgn and mark off in the pdf review what I've done as done via colour code and special mark up tool and it records and saves what I have marked as done or I can put a call out as a question to one of the engineers or designers etc... pretty cool app.. oh and Ican copy paste text from it strait into microstation text..
reviewers can even measure and dimension in the pdf to check the dgn via the pdf.. pretty cool!
Lorys
Started msnt work 1990 - Retired Nov 2022 ( oh boy am I old )
But was long time user V8iss10 (8.11.09.919) dabbler CE update 16 (10.16.00.80)
MicroStation user since 1990 Melbourne Australia.click link to PM me
Hi Lorys,
Navigator V8i did very well - even better than old Redline regarding overlays, thus referencing Markups. But it is not available any more. The connect edition is only for 3D Projectwise 365 is as well good for 3D and for PDF Markup. But I have not found an obvious way to reference markups.
Once you had used the overlay referencing together with the markup-Dialog in MicroStatiion you find it very cumbersome to work with PDF editors side by side.
I can copy and paste from rather even any free PDF editor, right?
Bluebeam Revu is good but also quite overwhelming. (I use it for counting symbols for tenders- But it is not reliantly finding all symbols in my scenarios currently) Studio is fine but I guess everyone needs Revu to really work with it(?) And the benefit is not apparent for just redlining some remarks. We use PFD-xChange Editor there.
Redline and Navigator were overwhelming to non CAD-literate Reviewers. And neither are available any more. So I am still looking for the equivalent workflow.
Hence my question.btw...IGDS+DGN et.al. since '83...
mlm said:looking for the equivalent workflow.
There is simply none. Navigator, Powerdraft is retired without anything in replacement. PW365 workflow is only formal to cover missing functionality.
I've never used Redline or Navigator so I'm unsure what format these mark-up's take. When I last worked in a team, I would make PDF's and the PDF's would be returned to me with simple captions and a description of what needed changed. I take it these programs did similar but with DGN's and some distinct annotation tools separate from file geometry?