How is this even possible. I am working on setting up tables for use on our projects. I have been experimenting with the various options to figure what works & what does not. Using CE 16.3 I was having an issue with the Import from File (Excel). In CE 16.3 I have a seed table created with the appropriate column headers and a title. Then I have several empty rows.
Using the Place Empty table the inserted table looks like this (seed table name is PointList). This seed table contains the correct formatting for the rows, columns & cells.
Placing another table and selecting From File I select the seed table. Then I select the Excel file, which only contains data that should populate the body of the table (no title or column headers).
When I place the table, the first row of data is inserted into the 3rd row of the table overwriting the Northing & Easting column headers.
There is no solution for this but, I did find a forum post describing this same issue.
Talking with a colleague earlier today, they mentioned that the table tool had some updates in CE 17 so I thought I would see if my table would work in there.
WOW! is about all I can say. Unless I am missing something, they broke this tool's limited functionality.
In CE 17 I selected the Place Table tool and selected From File once again. With this version you cannot even pick a table seed. You can only select a Table Style.
Table Style???? What's that? No surprise here, looking at the Help Documentation the only information provided is
The Ribbon tool group they reference does not contain this tool. You need to select a table that was already placed and formatted. Once you select an existing table in the file the Layout tab becomes visible and contains the Save Style tool.
So I placed my PointList tabled seed, selected it and used the Save Style tool. Going back to the Place Table tool & selecting From File the Style I saved (just named it Style1) is in the list of Table Styles. So I set that style, selected my Excel file and placed the table in my file. I had to chuckle in dismay when I saw the result
The table is placed on the correct level but, the color, weight & style are all 0. Notice there are no grid lines and the title row & column header rows are non-existent as well. Ok, select the the new table and check the properties dialog. Looking at the General section the Color Style & weight of the table are not set bylevel, even though the original table was set that way. Attempting to change those settings, only the color attribute changed.
For the Text Styles section the Default Text Color & Weight were set to From Table, even though the original table was set to use Color 0 & Weight 3. Trying to change those settings failed as well. Going to the Layout tab and trying to turn the Borders on fails as well.
Anyone else noticing these issues with Place Tables in CE 17?
Jon Summers said:The Table tools have always been dodgy
I agree that the tool is lacking but, I actually had workflows that made it very useful. Now the tool is basically useless. How many years until they address this one?
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Jon Summers said:This post is the first time that I've seen table style. I can't see it in MicroStation help. Is table style a synonym for table seed?
The Table Style does not reside in the same .dgnlib as the Table Seeds. There is no mention if Table Styles are stored in a .dgnlib. My guess is they are not but, I have not looked into it any further. Too dismayed at the time to really care.
Paul Chater said:From my experience beta cycles take to long
From our experience, NOT beta testing has been taking too long. There are so many bugs and regressions that the software still cannot be expected to work reliably between versions (as noted here) or to be corrected from one version to the next (or the next or the next).
What In-house testing does Bentley do? You can't tell me that you release products without going through them in house...can you? I can perhaps understand if Bentley doesn't want the overhead of a fully organized beta testing program, but SOMEONE needs to be testing your product to ensure it works. The programmers should not be working in a vacuum, and there should be some team somehow putting the software through its paces before release.
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Something I notice in CE 17 Place Table is that I believe the Table Style is supposed to be specific to the From Report mode. When you look at the Help file it only mentions From Report. When you set the Place Table mode to Blank Table or From Report you still have the option to select a Table Seed & Table Style. When you switch the mode to From File the Table Seed field is missing.
Also, in From File mode there is an icon to the right of the field. Clicking that button brings up a dialog stating that a Table Seed & Report need to be selected
When you set the Table Tool to From File only the Table Seed field is available and there is no icon to the right of the field. My guess is that the programmer inadvertently changed he code for this tool and the field should be Table Seed.
Hi Jon & mwlong,You might check into Usability Testing & User Research. Here is the link:www.bentley.com/.../usability-testing