[CE U17] Why do Item labels place on Level 0 ? and other issues with item labeling ... still

When I place a Item text (label) they are placed on Level "0"

1. I would expect them to be on the active level (at least!)

Better I need them to be on a specific level. This would allow me to have some labels visible or not depending on what I need to see in a specific context.

One needs to move the label to the right level one by one. Is that the workflow? That does not feel right.

Also:

2.The visibility icons (in the localized version are barely visible - SR filed )

3. The new editing dialog (when you doubleclick a label) appears not to work right. I am not able to switch visibility.

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  • Sorry for the delay. I wonder if anybody can (or can not) confirm this to be an issue? It is a “normal” file aka. a dgn. You think thats a file related issue, Mary B? How come?

  • I only ask because DWG is notorious for having elements on layer "0". I was wondering if that was carrying through in a DWG, even if you are working in MicroStation, because of the way DWG format saves data. I've also never seen a level 0 in anything that wasn't a DWG file (but I certainly haven't seen everything).
    Layer "0" functions a little like our Default level, in that cells/blocks created on layer "0" take the symbology of the active layer. It's more complicated than that, but that's my basic understanding. It made me think that your item labels were doing some sort of DWG thing, or might have come from or being placed in a DWG.

    Since this a DGN, my idea would be irrelevant.

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
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    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

  • Hi Mary, 

    I have created a new file and copied in the element  with the item definition. new created file with item labels.dgn

    In the new file the labeling goes to NOT to the current active level but to the level "Default"

    The previous file - actually as I am revisiting this this file may have originated from a DWG. But it is a long time dgn now. 

    So my question now is: Why is the strange behaviour coming over after saving a file as DGN.file possibly originating from DWG.dgn

    Also:

    I would need every Label [Place Field] to go to a specific Level 

    I need to place all my labels on different levels so I can switch them on and off depending on the context. The type of file I need to print aka.  Layouts for different aspects of the project, like "Lighting" , "Security Lighting", "Fire Security", etc)

    How can I predefine which Level each label needs to go?

    If I have to switch the level and place each label one by one this is really impractical

  • So it sounds as if the behavior between "100% DGN" and "DWG to DGN" is analogous - Layer 0 and our Default layer having similar functions (at least when it comes to cells, and that each drawing has to have them). Not desirable behavior, by any stretch, but consistent. It appears to not be an issue with just the DWG-DGN file - it's showing the same type of behavior in the pure DGN. The labels are being placed onto the default level of the drawing, with no regard for active settings.

    I believe what you are expecting to see and are asking for is perfectly reasonable. I'd say it could even be expected behavior!

    Unfortunately, that's about as far as I can get with this. I'm still using SS10 in production due to client requirements, so I don't have a lot if experience with Labels. I hope there's someone else with more experience who can help you, or that this hypothesis of the behavior leads toward a solution. Good luck!

    MaryB

    Power GeoPak 08.11.09.918
    Power InRoads 08.11.09.918
    OpenRoads Designer 2021 R2

        

  • Thanks Mary, I am trying this - once in a while - since the introduction of "items".

    I always find it hard to belive how "off" a reasonable/to be expected behaviour functionalities can be possibly implemented. With CE17 there are some things implemented. But - not by a long shot - are useable in production.

    The lack of other replies may indicate that others gave up on it for the time being. I am not sure what to make of it. I have also -again- written Service Tickets. Because I think a userfriendly reporting would be of great benefit for all.