I don't like dgnlibs because it is not obvious what is stored in which dgnlib.
Now we have level libraries in dgnlibs. Which is the active file looks in another file for the data.
So why can't we have the active file look in something more transparent and readable than a dgn? Like a csv, or a xls, which can be viewed parallel to the active dgn in ustn.
It would also be much easier to edit than through LM in ustn.
Why can't there just be a really simple way to view in (optional, configurable level of) detail the contents of things like dgnlibs, seeds, even datasets? Doesn't have to be put into xml, csv or xls, just a configurable viewing tool, which can stay open as a window to refer to (or print out). Bit like ConfigExplorer. Incl what ways the seed (and dgnlib?) has been over-ruled in the current (or any selectable) dgn. Incl a bit of history, per item, of updating in either direction.
Hi Tom,
Unknown said: Why can't there just be a really simple way to view in (optional, configurable level of) detail the contents of things like dgnlibs, seeds, even datasets? Doesn't have to be put into xml, csv or xls, just a configurable viewing tool, which can stay open as a window to refer to (or print out). Bit like ConfigExplorer. Incl what ways the seed (and dgnlib?) has been over-ruled in the current (or any selectable) dgn. Incl a bit of history, per item, of updating in either direction.
but there is export yours standard dgnlib file (... being stand means it should not change without you knowing about it...) to CSV and open with excel or print to a book for desk reference..
or else just open the dgn lib itself read only with ustn ..
Lorys
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Have a look at Keith Little's book "survivors guide " see section on levels and DGN libs thats how I learnt about dgnlibs...
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Well to be quite frank there are over 200 ideas in the ideas section and we have seen no indication that any of them have even been reviewed, let alone considered. You guys want feed back from users but we are getting little feed back about the ideas we post. Personally I'm starting to feel like it was a waste of my time writing them up.
Marc
Unfortunately I don't seem to make myself understood here.
See comment earlier in this thread.
I test case would perhaps be if I name my dgnlbs in Swedish - and you were tasked to understand what was stored in each dgnlib.
regards / Thomas Voghera
I am not sure I follow what is being asked here….
In an active file that has:
Levels from a DGNLIB
Textstyles from a DGNLIB
DimensionStyles from a DGNLIB
LineStyles
Etc,,,
These can all be found where they are coming from.
If the item is bold in the list , it is a local item
There is a column in level manager that tells you where the level exists
If you hover over some items, these state where they exist
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Tim,
You can't tell from the standard pick lists where they come from. Internal, external, rsc. Theres no way to tell.
Theres also no way to filter. Only levels from this file. Only Styles from this file. Things start creeping in from all over and it takes an inordinate amount of time to sort it out.
Unknown said:Well to be quite frank there are over 200 ideas in the ideas section and we have seen no indication that any of them have even been reviewed, let alone considered. You guys want feed back from users but we are getting little feed back about the ideas we post. Personally I'm starting to feel like it was a waste of my time writing them up.
David,
We listen and we review the ideas weekly if not more often. If you notice one has been marked complete. Currently there isn't a way to mark an Idea to anything other than Under review, Approved, or Complete and this is one of the reasons it is in the EAP section as this is also in a beta try process. We have a process which is be set up which will move an item into development from the Ideas section but again this is in development. We also have a criteria with which an item will be moved on but again this is a developing process. Once we have the process refined we will move Ideas out into the public communities.
Thanks,
John
John, The only one I see is one and it is flagged Comming Soon. Everything else is Under Review. Not Planned is another option. I'm guessing out of 200 there are a few in there you have no plan of addressing in this release.
Thanks Lorys, so maybe we still have Keith Little for dgnlibs - but far from up to date I think, esp how are they applied to make BD work - a v different kettle of fish.
The knowledge acquisition ways you list are fine, but absolutely no excuse for absence of really good write-up in Help, which should give guidance on use in typical scenarios, if it's to be worthy of name 'Help'. Otherwise, don't bother (well, they don't).
I hate to defend the help ... but every discipline usage is going to different .. but again training courses are the only way..
Have you looked at Bentley learn free tutorials there was a pretty good intro last time I looked for my guys at work...
I wrote pretty good one myself in one of the control alt delete issues a long while back under symbology and overrides ...
from help search
"Sharing Level Definitions",
"Level Manager dialog "
" Working with Level Libraries "
"Levels"
I read these and even print out make my own manuals and resourses..
Between these and what I have gleaned everywhere else we have a very easy robust system not very easy in acad..
If you still cant work it out skype me some time and Ill talk and show you with swap screens function in skype is pretty good...
thanks Lorys - am getting there slowly, just like to grumble along the way.
Try this and let me know if it helps make things clearer (althought it will prompt other questions I'm sure!): 101 - DGNLIB (Design File Libraries)