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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/94874/how-to-read-label-coordinates-in-layout-sheet-from-attached-references</link><description>Is there is anyway to read the original coordinates from attached models into a layout sheet? That option will enable us to do complete drawing annotations in LAYOUT instead of having a hybrid of annotations in the model+layout. This will improve the</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283886?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2014 10:46:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:74670d68-c514-4956-802a-e49ca069ceb0</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;nikoue&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is no true. &amp;nbsp;There is no limits in autocad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12px;"&gt;[/quote]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12px;"&gt;I say BURN THE WITCH AS AN AUTOCAD LOVER AND BLASPHEMER!... hahaha!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:12px;"&gt;I gotta stop watching that new show Salem.. its affecting me&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283509?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2014 13:13:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:6ff11c2d-579a-4281-9720-c75766b5bd73</guid><dc:creator>Mike Francisco</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Yes Inga&amp;#39;s post previously in this thread works.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283438?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2014 23:51:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:b8eececd-38fc-463b-8138-2416368e24b8</guid><dc:creator>DavidG</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;Better&amp;quot; is a relative term. &amp;nbsp;It has different parameters for different people. &amp;nbsp;What is best solution for one person not necessarily best for for another person or company.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unless you specificly define those parameters and everybody agree as them it is pointless to debate it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283384?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 20:56:48 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:f07a55ce-051c-499e-a805-e9d79e642d82</guid><dc:creator>Mike Francisco</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Lorys, I know your pain. &amp;nbsp;I&amp;#39;ve been fighting that battle for 25 years and am now at the point that I am loosing. &amp;nbsp;Logic does not seem to prevail any longer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283344?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 14:18:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:635c0367-edb3-4ac5-8488-e1a26b4c62b1</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;please start a new thread &amp;quot;why my cads better than autocad&amp;quot; as I need more ammo for the acad lubbers at work &amp;nbsp;in language they can understand, no more than 2 syllables please.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283320?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 11:36:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:ceeb9bc6-85cb-4847-b843-161ec282b9f6</guid><dc:creator>caddcop</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;This whole discussion was about reading world coordinates from a sheet model. If you bring the sheet to the model, you have to rotate the view, not the viewport (xref to the model).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is where you can&amp;#39;t have a 1 to 1 discussion of AutoCAD vs MicroStation. While referencing in the model into the sheet is the equivalent to having a viewport in paperspace, and &amp;quot;Activating&amp;quot; that reference file in MicroStation is similar to switching to modelspace while in a layout, it is far from identical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But making the statement that AutoCAD has no limitations - on these forums, that&amp;#39;s just asking for trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can you reference the paperspace into another paperspace or a model?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can you reference a file to itself?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can you create multiple models in a single file?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can you display linetypes on 3D polylines?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we want to continue this discussion, we should start a new thread.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283317?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 11:13:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:78f5b0b9-7e77-4dc2-b87d-a1a701168858</guid><dc:creator>nikoue</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Why to rotate paperspace? You rotate the viewports in any angle you want. and &amp;nbsp;you can keep viewport aligned to the paper even if you rotate it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283271?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 23:31:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:a9e99bd2-a184-4a83-86e9-6decb9c12a03</guid><dc:creator>DavidG</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Unless they have changed it recently paper space it either landscape or portrait. &amp;nbsp;How do you rotate paperspace say thirty degrees?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/283264?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 20:45:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:cf0d89f5-1847-4805-83c6-a501b77e29a9</guid><dc:creator>nikoue</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;&amp;quot; This is one thing that is easily done in MicroStation that can not be done in AutoCAD. &amp;nbsp;AutoCAD limits rotation to landscape or portrait. &amp;quot;&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is no true. &amp;nbsp;There is no limits in autocad.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/276907?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 14:00:44 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:dd41216d-281b-4931-b1db-afb36f00639d</guid><dc:creator>Mike Francisco</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;This method from Inga works very well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Inga Morozoff&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, as mentioned by CadCop this is done by definining an ACS from the reference. &amp;nbsp;To to that, open your sheet and ensure your references are attached correctly. &amp;nbsp;Navigate to the Auxiliary Coordinates dialog and choose Define ACS (Aligned by Reference). &amp;nbsp;Refer to the prompts and select the reference. &amp;nbsp;Also, change the name from Unnamed to something of value.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To use this for labeling, open the Drawing Scale dialog, turn on the Lock Auxilary Coordinate System button and choose / set the active ACS. &amp;nbsp;Finally, choose the Label Point tool and it will automatically use the ACS coordinates. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also refer to the following: &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="/communities/other_communities/askinga/w/askinga/measuring-a-scaled-reference.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../measuring-a-scaled-reference.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And: &amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="/communities/other_communities/askinga/w/askinga/label-coordinates-and-auxiliary-coordinate-systems.aspx" target="_blank"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../label-coordinates-and-auxiliary-coordinate-systems.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/276565?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:51:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:719b73a8-6a3b-4b8b-882b-7f94e3bad11d</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;not worth it dont work in lay out use activate via the ref manager and work in model space with annotation scale set&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then layout model ( paperspace &amp;nbsp;equivalent ) should fix font sizes etc..&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/276426?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:57:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:e04aeba4-a774-480c-a39c-7dfcccb4e38f</guid><dc:creator>DavidG</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, it would work much better if you could get a field coordinate to the end of the leader or in this case the association point the end of the leader connecting to.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/276424?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:45:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:c28c6ed9-5ad8-4a9e-a6a4-da867bdd3ceb</guid><dc:creator>Mike Francisco</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I actually tried this and it does work, however, you have to create the fields in a text node for each occurrence of coordinate label because it has to be attached to the&amp;nbsp;actual&amp;nbsp;element in&amp;nbsp; the reference file to show the correct coordinate.&amp;nbsp; If in a cell or even copied and pasted it&amp;nbsp;would only read the paperspace coordinates, so too cumbersome.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/275733?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:30:30 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:87822c77-45e4-4adb-8e8b-3d15a40bdeab</guid><dc:creator>DavidG</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Another option might be to associate the coordinate label to the object in the reference and use fields. &amp;nbsp;I haven&amp;#39;t tried this across reference files but is should work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://vimeo.com/39204607"&gt;http://vimeo.com/39204607&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m not familiar with PDS so I can&amp;#39;t speak to why PDS would require a fixed size drawing in a fixed location. &amp;nbsp;There are probably several solutions. &amp;nbsp;Tough to say which may work best without more details.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/275726?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:11:47 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:19b4823f-f7d9-4349-b610-f782d352e91f</guid><dc:creator>Inga Morozoff</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, as mentioned by CadCop this is done by definining an ACS from the reference. &amp;nbsp;To to that, open your sheet and ensure your references are attached correctly. &amp;nbsp;Navigate to the Auxiliary Coordinates dialog and choose Define ACS (Aligned by Reference). &amp;nbsp;Refer to the prompts and select the reference. &amp;nbsp;Also, change the name from Unnamed to something of value.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To use this for labeling, open the Drawing Scale dialog, turn on the Lock Auxilary Coordinate System button and choose / set the active ACS. &amp;nbsp;Finally, choose the Label Point tool and it will automatically use the ACS coordinates. &amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also refer to the following: &amp;nbsp;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://communities.bentley.com/communities/other_communities/askinga/w/askinga/measuring-a-scaled-reference.aspx"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../measuring-a-scaled-reference.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And: &amp;nbsp;&lt;a target="_blank" href="http://communities.bentley.com/communities/other_communities/askinga/w/askinga/label-coordinates-and-auxiliary-coordinate-systems.aspx"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../label-coordinates-and-auxiliary-coordinate-systems.aspx&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/275722?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:56:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:4164ea90-76c5-462a-ae27-4cdc8e6d426a</guid><dc:creator>Gabriel Leal</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks caddcop/DavidG. &amp;nbsp;What you guys described as 1st alternative is what we do at the moment (it has good things as described in your response). &amp;nbsp;We want to use a single size sheet (D size for instance) locked at the same location and annotate the drawings here. &amp;nbsp;The text size will be the same regardless of the scale. &amp;nbsp;It eliminates the need to scale the annotation texts/dimensions, etc. &amp;nbsp;That is how drawings are annotated using PDS. &amp;nbsp;PDS can obviously read the model coordinate from its database. &amp;nbsp;How would you set the ACS from the ref file? &amp;nbsp;I would like to try that if it works. &amp;nbsp;thanks guys.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/275720?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:42:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:35f3d298-4a5d-43b6-9763-5d6465466754</guid><dc:creator>DavidG</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;You need to place, scale and rotate your &amp;quot;sheet&amp;quot; over your model. &amp;nbsp;This is one thing that is easily done in MicroStation that can not be done in AutoCAD. &amp;nbsp;AutoCAD limits rotation to landscape or portrait.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Historically from what I&amp;#39;ve seen MS users typically use the method of scale and fit the sheet over model while AutoCAD users typically move and scale the model to fit the sheet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The advantage of moving and scaling the sheet is everything will measure correctly and coordinates space is coincident.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: How to read label coordinates in layout sheet from attached references</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/275717?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:38:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:2f57c8d5-14be-41bd-8d12-cf07ad10fc66</guid><dc:creator>caddcop</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;We always bring the sheet to the model in our layouts, scaling the border up to the drawing. As long as we have no Plan over Plan sheets, the sheets are in true coordinates and can be labeled directly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another alternative is to set an auxiliary coordinate system from the reference file. I have not tried this, but I believe it should work.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>