Collection of Shared Cell issues

Hey Community,

what are the difficulties of Shared Cells, compared to conventional cells ...

... today in MicroStation V8i?

... confirmed? (If you're not sure first hand, please note this)

My observations are:

  • Levels are being marked "used", although no element appears on it
  • shared cell nested in shared cell is troublesome
  • as a user, no way to easily detect, if an existing cell is a shared one

any more?

THX, Bigean

  • If you assign a cell as a Automatic Dimension Terminator it is automatically a Shared Cell. Shared Cells have the ability to be associated with elements. Element moves the Shared Cell moves.

    If you use Associative Patterning It creates Shared Cell definitions. Do you want to give-up Associative Patterning?

    You can select just Shared Cells in the file so you shouldn't have an issue detecting/finding them.

    If you idle over a cell, Select it or manipulate it M-Sta will tell you it is a Shared Cell.

    There is an option in the Drop to convert Shared Cells to Normal cells if you want.

    Shared Cells are different just like Point & Graphic cells. They all have pluses and minuses depending on what you do. The different types just open your options. I'll admit I used to (and still do at times) tell my users not to turn on the "Use Shared Cells" switch but I don't want to give up the options it provides. Users just have to understand them better. That eliminates 99% of the problems.

    This is just my opinion.

    I Hope This Helps Someone Reading This!  (Intergraph>PseudoStation>MicroStation user since 1980's)

  • Unknown said:

    ..... (snip)  I'll admit I used to (and still do at times) tell my users not to turn on the "Use Shared Cells" switch but I don't want to give up the options it provides. Users just have to understand them better. That eliminates 99% of the problems

    I totally agree with you my point is if microstation creates the shared cell instance  then so be it, like dims , patterns etc.. but I meant specifically during cell placement as an object  I avoid using it a shared cell from the cell tool  gui.. and  it still can be globally updated with replace cell command or tool pallete icon...
    I believe the old feature was to save on file sizes and storage but now days drive space is so affordable Tera Bytes  for even home users is standard  .. I remember my  old cad server in the 90's at work was smaller than my current  portable usb drive....and zip disks had a waping huge 25mb storage and cost 2.5 hours pay each. 

    Lorys

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  • You could make the same argument for reference files.  Why just not have 100 copies of the same floor plan... we have the disks space right why use reference files?

    The problem is not the concept.  The problem, as with most DWG compatibly add-ins,  is poor the implantation and the tools.

  • The old adage still goes

    Just Because You Can Doesn't Mean You Should!.

    I have problems with users leaving crap in files, Naming files with spaces or long descriptive file names. Using % & and other characters in File & Directory Names. Having Long Path's etc.

    Sorry, I got off Topic

    I Hope This Helps Someone Reading This!  (Intergraph>PseudoStation>MicroStation user since 1980's)

  • Unknown said:

    Users just have to understand them better. That eliminates 99% of the problems.

    That was one of my intentions to create this thread here. And I want to add: It's quite difficult to keep all data users in all projects informed how to handle shared cells.

    Bigean