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I got a reference file that I need the text to be one size in one sheet file and then a different size in another sheet file.  Is this possible?

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  • All depends

    But yes

    If you have an original drawing set with text  (Let us say 1' tall

    And the other two drawing reference your file and different scales

    And you have scale off then they will come it at different sizes

    If one is referenced with ref scale on and one is with scale off then yes

    You can also have two different "Drawing Models"  which are truly annotation drawings

    One uses one scale and the other another.  Then this can be even more flexible.  (preferred)  When referenced onto your sheet.

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  • eric

    i am somewhat new to microstation and not yet proficient with it.  The two different drawing models, are these models of the same reference file?  

    To elaborate a bit more on my problem.  I am a roadway designer in ga.  I am in the process of plan production.  I have reference files such as a main, required, topo, border, and several more.  To make my sheet files, I just attach all the reference files that I need, turning on and off the levels that I want shown.  My plan sheets are at a 50 scale.  My overall cover sheet is at a 400 scale.  My problem is that I need some text in the main file to show at L150 50 scale for my plan sheets and then for my cover sheet, I need that same text to show up at L150 400 scale.  Which works out to be a text height and width of 7.5' and 6', respectively for 50 scale and 60' and 48' respectively for my 400 scale cover sheet.

    Will the two drawing models do this?

  • Working in roadway design also, we normally create our main design files at the most common scale (usually 25:1) and the design files are created at 1:1. The design files are referenced into a blank file and then the border is referenced in also. The border is created at 1:1 scale and then the border is scaled up when referenced into the files (ie border ref is scaled to 25:1 for 25 scale plan). All other references remain 1:1. When we assemble our front sheets (Title, Index, General Notes) we use anything from 50:1 to 2640:1. In these instances we copy in the text from the design files and change the scale of the text. We do not have a lot of text to copy in and 98% of it is existing information and is usually set at the beginning of the project. The only exception for this is our baseline file for our index sheet. We create 2 baseline files. One at the common scale and 1 at the index sheet scale.

    We have not messed with annotation scale and do not plan to.

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  • That is exactly what i am doing now.  Well kind of.  I am creating two files, with the text in question, at two different sizes.  I was just trying to get around that and have just one file in case changes need to be made, and in that case just to one file instead of two.  

  • In a perfect world we would only need to change one file. I would love to be able to have one file that encompasses all situations. The problem I see with annotation scale is depending on the justification you will need to move the text around which creates problems in other files.

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  • If you want one text (or one file) and this text is needed at different scales, then annotation scale is what needs to be used. Otherwise you end up doing what has already been suggested, or you are already currently doing.There is no wrong way of doing this, it is a matter of how much maintenence you want to do, or where you want to maintain it.

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  • yes - mwlong is correct. Anticipating how the text will be at different scales is the whole issue with annotation. You want to try and minimize what text is shared thru files and scales,,,,if possible it would be best to put as much annotation at the top level (sheets) as possible but this is not always the best choice. This is the dilema that has plauged projects for years.

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    CADD Manager | CADD Department

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