[V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Lorys — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:42:14 GMT

totally agree about accudraw including the pain force your self for just 2 weeks and you'll never know how you lived without it.. but you have to do the tutorials and use it to draw all the time at least 1 week to be fair...

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

mwlong — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:33:44 GMT

BTW- learn to use Accudraw. Even just a few of it's function. I know it can be a PIA at first. I also hatted it when I started using Microstation. After giving it a chance, I rarely turn it off now. I have found it useful for a lot of things.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

mwlong — Thu, 26 Jun 2014 11:19:20 GMT

George,

Good catch on the ACS Plane lock. I totally missed that. Another point to add to this is that if you do turn on Accudraw you will also need to go into the Accudraw settings (<Settings <Accudraw). You will need to click on the Coordinates tab and switch the <Coordinate System <Rotation to View rather than Auxiliary. Having Accudraw rotation to Auxiliary will force Accudraw to always align with the ACS so even when you rotate your view the text placement will continue to be along the ACS axis. If you do not have Accudraw on the text will be placed according to the view or Active Angle setting relative to the view rotation.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

George A. Martin — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:17:16 GMT

Leigh

I noted that the file had the "ACS Plane" lock turned on. Try turning off the "ACS Plane" lock. This has an affect and is a setting you can do a "Save Settings" to hold.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:52:58 GMT

Interesting. I did not set up the original file, and I only use ACS to simulate the lost and greatly lamented depth lock. (Which isn't needed in this file, since it's 2D.)

I'm going to try and copy my work into a new file, and see if that fixes it.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

mwlong — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 19:42:14 GMT

Your sample file seems to have a custom ACS set up. If you rotate the view to Top then set an ACS according to the view your text can be placed correctly. For whatever reason everything keeps referencing the custom ACS. It is greyed out in the Auxiliary Coordinates dialog so it can not be deleted.

I don't know if this has any bearing on your situation. I do not work with custom ACS settings so this is just an observation that may lead someone more knowledgeable to your solution

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

RobertArnold — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 18:30:42 GMT

Hi Eric,

In his full description, LeighM wants the text to be view dependent (and to be placed in the orientation of that view).

--Robert

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Eric Milberger — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:47:30 GMT

When I open the file to place text

It comes up with a particular text style and place text by Origin

The text places by origin and is rotated according to the world NOT the way you are viewing your data

If I change to View Independent as with the upper of the 2 lines of text

It will place View Independent as it should

This placement is NOT saved as a part of the text style but a way to place text

So to make it the default

Open your seed - start to place text and select the style and View Independent - then save the seed

It will now open that file View Independent until someone changes it.

Now you can also have a macro start so every time you open the file it is View Independent

You can also create a function key or an icon to use to start any text that includes a keyin to make it View Independent

But There is no way I no of to make it revert ONLY to View Independent

It to make that the first option you would need to change the keyin to start "Place text" to also include whatever is necessary to make it View Independent..

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:07:08 GMT

I generally use type-in commands, so I don't see that setting.

However, I just tried placing text using the text palette. It was set to "by origin," and it still came in with global orientation.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Reginald Wallace — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:02:28 GMT

Hmmm...I still don't see this occurring. If I rotate the view text is placed at view orientation. In the tool settings for place text what is your method set to? By default this is generally set to "By Origin".

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:49:30 GMT

Thanks, Robert. That sounds likely. (Information on the text does come up as view dependent.)

I'm afraid I don't know much about AccuDraw. Frankly, I hate it with the intensity of a thousand burning suns, and never use it. I tried turning it on and it didn't make a difference. And the text is coming in by view orientation in other files, without AccuDraw. So how do I disable the global orientation in this file?

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

RobertArnold — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:43:45 GMT

Hi,

We have a terminology problem. The text is NOT view independent. The situation is that the text is being placed by the global orientation rather than the view orientation or AccuDraw. For some reason, AccuDraw is not coming up when you place text.

To demostrate, rotate the view to a random angle and then try to place text relative to the view. The text inserts at the active angle, relative to the global origin rather than the view rotation.

I noticed that the model is marked as a cell. That could be the first problem.

I also noticed that if you use AccuDraw for anything, you can hit the V key for view, but as soon as your command stops, AccuDraw returns to the T mode (model top rather than view). I also noticed that if you do get AccuDraw to come up for placing text, the text will be placed per AccuDraw as expected.

--Robert

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Reginald Wallace — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:08:20 GMT

Could you do an element infomration on the the text and verify that it is view-independent. This is what I see:

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 15:11:46 GMT

When I place text with the view rotated, AA=0, it comes in so it's right side up at vi=top

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Reginald Wallace — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 14:24:11 GMT

This file contains view-depedent text and when I placed new text it is view-dependent. How are you verifying that the text is view-independent and not view-dependent?

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:36:23 GMT

File attached.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Reginald Wallace — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:15:30 GMT

Could you attach a file that you created by copying from one of these existing files? Just place one string of text in file.

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Leigh Motooka — Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:02:42 GMT

Thanks, those questions were helpful. There's no existing text and I'm not sure how to open a file in a new workspace, but it occurred to me that all the files I've been working in lately were created by copying the same existing file.

So I went back an opened an old file that I never had problems with, and created a new one from a different seed file. Those were fine.

So how do I change the setting in a design file so text comes in view dependent by default?

RE: [V8i] How to set text to be view-dependent by default?

Reginald Wallace — Tue, 24 Jun 2014 20:51:01 GMT

Three questions...

1.) Is existing text in these files view-independent as well?

2.) What happens if you open your file in a new workspace?

3.) This is generally not a design file setting so next question is are you running in custom applications in your environment?