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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Plotting an element twice?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/microstation_printing/f/printing-and-plotting-forum/136510/plotting-an-element-twice</link><description>When we plot yellow elements, we need to print it in black first and then yellow so that there&amp;#39;s a yellow highlight, but it&amp;#39;s still legible. We do this with shapes and text. 
 To do this today, we add a reference of our dgn and the plotting rules will</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: Plotting an element twice?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/413560?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2017 13:30:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:7dcdc83d-f5fa-4d2f-9fb4-aa4e4cc434e8</guid><dc:creator>Lorys</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Jose Pinho&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ryan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I believe Robert was pointing you in the right way, to use two references of the same. Not level copy. This is a nice option. With overrides you can have different color, weight and linestyle of the same element. After you have to verify the reference sequences.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are they 3d files? If it&amp;#39;s time consuming, have you check the various ways to place references? Namely cached?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Since many years I&amp;#39;ve dropped the color yellow from my drawing. In fact we used to do that for yellow/red drawings but it was very hard to see this color, so now we use red/green which the print output gives us the colour black in the mix. When the use of yellow is required we use a custom dark yellow one.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Regards&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;There are a couple of ways that you can use to speed up the process&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1st way Jose has hinted&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;how I would do it..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Draw per normal using your yellow &amp;nbsp;for text and shapes etc, create a pentable ( call it yellow_halo.tbl) &amp;nbsp;and tell it to resymbolise all &amp;nbsp;objects that use the yellow by its colour number ( some place customise the colour table pallet) and change the out put to a duller yellow I found a dirty yellow or Gold &amp;nbsp;works best for text on paper...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now copy and edit your common or used printer.pltcfg ie assume its the pdf one change its name to YellowHalo.pltcfg and edit it to chose the &amp;nbsp;halo pentable you made earlier ..Now train everyone when to use it ....&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To find the best colour there is a macro floating around to plot all the RGB swatches ( if you really cant find it PM me and I&amp;#39;ll find it in my archives and post it again) you can get a rgb &amp;nbsp;value to put manually in the pen table especially &amp;nbsp;if you have a acad &amp;nbsp;colour you know works better for you ...&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;2nd way&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This works best for text &amp;nbsp;only , &amp;nbsp;create custom text style &amp;nbsp;for yellow text &amp;nbsp;set it &amp;nbsp;to be black text and have a background colour set to yellow in your text style set it to 20% of the text size ie &amp;nbsp;2mm text = 0.4 off set x and y works very well and &amp;nbsp;set the out line and fill to both to be yellow the same colour number...then you dont need the dirty yellow and can use the bright yellow.. acts like a highlighter has been run over your black text..&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;the first way is best for existing drawings and quick prints as you dont change anything just use a custom printer and custom pentable attached...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Plotting an element twice?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/413211?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2017 21:54:29 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:8bb741ea-0478-4b70-b626-86831debee28</guid><dc:creator>Jose Pinho</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Ryan,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; I believe Robert was pointing you in the right way, to use two references of the same. Not level copy. This is a nice option. With overrides you can have different color, weight and linestyle of the same element. After you have to verify the reference sequences.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are they 3d files? If it&amp;#39;s time consuming, have you check the various ways to place references? Namely cached?&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Since many years I&amp;#39;ve dropped the color yellow from my drawing. In fact we used to do that for yellow/red drawings but it was very hard to see this color, so now we use red/green which the print output gives us the colour black in the mix. When the use of yellow is required we use a custom dark yellow one.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Regards&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Plotting an element twice?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/413207?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2017 20:54:37 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:11a3e945-e5ab-47d3-925c-910b67ecc4a9</guid><dc:creator>Ryan Daniels</dc:creator><description>Like I said, we already have a method to print them. We&amp;#39;re going the reference route, but it&amp;#39;s slow. We could copy the level, but we don&amp;#39;t want the 2 copies to be there all the time (and risk them not matching), only during plotting. I tried that through opendesignfileforprogram, which is very fast, but won&amp;#39;t work with read-only files.&lt;br /&gt;
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I listed the ways I know how to do what I&amp;#39;m doing. I was asking if there was anything more simple.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: Plotting an element twice?</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/413057?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2017 18:11:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:72ea5d70-77be-4e6f-8762-cba7fc5f6f47</guid><dc:creator>Bob Rayner</dc:creator><description>If it&amp;#39;s a 2d file, I use level priority. That does require 2 copies or an additional reference with override set. There are several ways to do what you&amp;#39;re doing, find the simplest.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>