3D-PDFs created with Connect Edition bigger in file size and slower than with V8i?

Hello community,

since we upgraded to the Connect Edition (CE) the behaviour of 3D-PDFs changed.

Here are the problems we encounter:

Difference in file size for the same model:

  • The file size differs if we create the 3D-PDF with CE or if we create it with V8i.
  • The ones created in CE are always a few MB bigger (depends on the overall size and the complexity of the model).

  • What does CE make different than V8i when creating a 3D-PDF and why is the CE-File always bigger?


Opening time for 3D-PDFs created with CE:

  • If we open the 3D-PDF created with CE, it takes much longer to open and we see a kind of “unfinished render” for about 15-90 seconds.
  • The opening time again depends on the models but it is always much much longer than for the files created with V8i from the same model.
  • We do not see this "unfinished render" in the 3D-PDF created with V8i.

Here is a picture of the "unfinished render":


The interesting thing is: If we create the 3D-PDFs of the exact same model with V8i, they are smaller in file size, they open much faster (in just a few seconds) and we do not see the “unfinished render”.


Interesting Fact: Sometimes the Acrobat Reader changes to “not responding” for a short time, but that is not always the case.

Sometimes the Acrobat Reader even says: “This file cannot be shown with the Acrobat Reader. The program will close now.” (It is not the exact message, I translated it, because I am running a machine which is set to german.)


The "look" of the 3D-PDFs: 

Another thing that I am irritated about is the “look” of the 3D-PDF. The one created with the V8i looks a bit more “shiny” and the one created with CE looks a bit “dull”. We use the same setup for printing the 3D-PDF in V8i and CE. Does anybody have an idea what could cause these differences?

I added two screenshots that show the different looks of the 3D-PDFs. (We imported the print settings from V8i to CE, so they should be the same for both versions).

Screenshots:

(As an example file we just put together some random pipelineworks.)

3D-PDF created with CE (looks a bit dull and not as "shiny" as the one created with V8i).

3D-PDF created with V8i (looks a bit more "shiny" than the one created with CE).


Example Files:

The example files are just a bunch of pipelines thrown together randomly, as we can not show you real projects. 

To see the effects described above it is important that the files have a certain amount of equipment in them, otherwise the difference in loading times is to short to see. That is why the files are relatively big and we had to upload the to the WeTransfer Page.

Here you can find two 3D-PDFs and the DGN file they where both created from, one time using Connect Edition, the other one using V8i.

https://we.tl/t-uPt2bxGlNe

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  • Wir haben das selbe Problem. 

    Leider habe ich die v8i in eine open building designer Lizenz getauscht, heisst ich kann nicht einfach über die v8i drucken. Disappointed

    gibt es keine andere Lösung? Denn bei mir stürzt Adobe ab, er bekommt die 3d-PDF erst gar nicht auf.

  • Leider wurde bis jetzt keine andere Lösung gefunden. Es liefen bereits verschiedene Service-Requests zu dem Thema und einer wird gerade wieder aktuell verfolgt. Das ist der Service-Request mit der Nummer: SrvReqNo:[7000972269]. Service Request läuft beim englischsprachigen Support, da der deutschsprachige Support auch nicht wirklich weiter wusste und die Probleme nicht richtig nachvollziehen konnte. (Der letzte deutschsprachige SR war der mit der Nummer: SrvReqNo:[7000963540].


    Im aktuellen SR (7000972269) habe ich letzte Woche den Hinweis erhalten, dass ich bitte mal meine Drucker-Treiber-Einstellungen prüfen und anpassen soll. Es sollte zum einen die Präzision auf "Standard" gestellt werden und die Drucker-Auflösung auf "x=300 dpi" und "y=300 dpi". (Wir haben im Normalfall dort eine Auflösung von 600, 600 eingestellt.) 
    Vielleicht können Sie diese Einstellungen einmal bei Ihnen testen, bei mir haben sie keine Verbesserung gebracht. 

    (Sie finden die Drucker-Treiber-Einstellungen im Druckdialog oben links unter der Schaltfläche "Datei".) 

    Anbei noch die beiden Screenshots die ich vom Support bezüglich der zu testenden Einstellungen erhalten habe: 

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    Currently using:

    OpenPlant Modeler - Version: 10.09.00.74

    [MicroStation - Version: 10.14.02.01]

  • Hey Lorys,

    thanks for your reply. I tried to set the compression to JPEG, but it did not change much and the severe difference between CE-printed files and V8i-printed files still exists.

    If the model is a relatively complex pipeline model it does not open at all when it was printed with CE. Printed with V8i it takes some time to open, but it does work.

    To showcase you the difference I made two 3D-PDFs of the same model, once with CE, once with V8i. Used the same printer driver in both cases.

    For the model I used the files from the OpenPlant Metric Example file set, you can find them via this link: https://communities.bentley.com/products/plant/m/openplant_powerpid-files/272113 (Make sure to be logged in to see the download button.)

    I used the “structure” model and attached the “working_m” file to it. The prints where created out of the “structure” file, via the normal printing dialog using “view 2” as the print view. Used the standard set up: ANSI A, Landscape mode and maximized the view, so nothing fancy here.

    The printer driver I used “XM pdf – color.pltcfg” is attached to this reply.

    What I find really interesting is the file size of both the prints:

    V8i has 0,657 MB

    CE has 1,17 MB, so about twice the size.

    I notice this difference in file size for every 3D-PDF we create. It is not always twice as big in CE, but it is a noticeable difference everytime.

    PDF

    PDF

    XM pdf - color.pltcfg

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    Currently using:

    OpenPlant Modeler - Version: 10.09.00.74

    [MicroStation - Version: 10.14.02.01]

  • Hello everybody,
    setting the compression to JPG is only useful if you want to create a raster print. For the creation of a 3D-PDF this has no effect

  • Hallo zusammen,

    kurze Frage, habt ihr auch das Phänomen, dass eine 3D-PDF tadellos funktioniert, wenn es aus einer konvertierten DWG-Datei gedruckt wird? Denn ich hab eine DWG-Datei, die aus Tekla kam, in eine DGN konvertiert und diese dann als 3D-PDF gedruckt, hier ist alles "spitze" wie man es aus einem V8i-Druck kennt.

  • Die Frage kann ich leider nicht beantworten. Ich habe derzeit keine DWG zur Verfügung mit der ich es ausprobieren könnte.

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    Currently using:

    OpenPlant Modeler - Version: 10.09.00.74

    [MicroStation - Version: 10.14.02.01]

  • Hello everybody,
    setting the compression to JPG is only useful if you want to create a raster print. For the creation of a 3D-PDF this has no effect

    Thanks for that Daniel

    after a revisit my  files your  quite right about 3dprints, but I set the compression  to jpg as my default for all our drivers so if users have raster maps, aerial photography or large areas then  it does make a big difference for us in file size, and also if its a big area several kilometers printed on relatively small paper ie 1 or 2 meters then the printer resolution wont show the detail that you see on the pdf so lowering the pdf dpi's is also a great help in general pdf file size reduction, creation time pdf opening times and print to paper times, I also would turn off layering in the 3d pdf if possible  to further reduce file sizes... currently we use V8i for everything and only  jump into CE when we have compatibility issues with DWG exrefs> exports> and new datum transforms not available in V8i...

    Lorys

    Started msnt work 1990 - Retired  Nov 2022 ( oh boy am I old )

    But was long time user V8iss10 (8.11.09.919) dabbler CE  update 16 (10.16.00.80) 

    MicroStation user since 1990 Melbourne Australia.
    click link to PM me 

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  • Hello everybody,
    setting the compression to JPG is only useful if you want to create a raster print. For the creation of a 3D-PDF this has no effect

    Thanks for that Daniel

    after a revisit my  files your  quite right about 3dprints, but I set the compression  to jpg as my default for all our drivers so if users have raster maps, aerial photography or large areas then  it does make a big difference for us in file size, and also if its a big area several kilometers printed on relatively small paper ie 1 or 2 meters then the printer resolution wont show the detail that you see on the pdf so lowering the pdf dpi's is also a great help in general pdf file size reduction, creation time pdf opening times and print to paper times, I also would turn off layering in the 3d pdf if possible  to further reduce file sizes... currently we use V8i for everything and only  jump into CE when we have compatibility issues with DWG exrefs> exports> and new datum transforms not available in V8i...

    Lorys

    Started msnt work 1990 - Retired  Nov 2022 ( oh boy am I old )

    But was long time user V8iss10 (8.11.09.919) dabbler CE  update 16 (10.16.00.80) 

    MicroStation user since 1990 Melbourne Australia.
    click link to PM me 

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