Hi Everyone, I’m new to the forums – any help with this issue would be greatly appreciated… We recently changed from an older version of Microstation to Microstation Connect Edition Update 7 – Version 10.07.00.39. I am using Print Organizer to generate monochrome TIFF images of my DGN graphics. These DGN graphics contain filled shapes, these shapes reside on level 50. When I generate the TIFF image from Print Organizer the outline of the filled shapes is not included with the filled inside of the shape on the TIFF image, and I need the outline of the shapes to be included. The outline of these shapes is line weight zero and is the same color as the filled inside portion. I was told by Bentley support that I would have to make the color of the shape outline different from the filled inside color in order for Print Organizer to include the shape outline on the TIFF image. Does anyone know of another way to accomplish this without having to change these colors on my existing DGN graphics?.. We have literally tens of thousands of existing DGN graphics and changing the outline color of all the shapes on all these graphics would be a huge and expensive effort. Any suggestions or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
have you tested it with update 13 which is the latest?
just curious why tiff and not pdf?
have you tried to make a pentable to force msnt to do what you want?
could you supply a fenced small portion dgn or example with some shapes from one of your files you can clear out any sensitive info just leave the filled out line shapes... then we can experiment with it,,, BTW it worked before right ? with which version of mstn ?
doesnt work with v8i either well not if outline is same colour as fill but does work if you use color 0 for the out line and another colour for the fill..
I creatied a pentable that would change the out line to white ( ie black) and leave the fill unchanged without rebuilding your dgn files as the pentable just resymbolises at print time so would lend itself to batch process like print organiser....
you can open the pentable form inside control p and attach pentable , edit pentable so yuo can see I told it find level 50 shapes only from colour 0 - 254 because it will cover all cases ( should have been 1-254) and in the output changed it to col 0 , I my have added weight 1 to make it easier to see
and no overrides in view attributes ...
here is the result in pdf
what it looks like when you open pdf
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I have not tested with update 13.. need to generate TIFF because the image needs to be processed through a publishing engine that requires TIFF.. I haven't tried editing pen table, I'm not familiar with what values or code to edit but would like to know more about it.
I've included a DGN containing the shape and a PDF with some information about it. Yes it did work with our earlier version, however we used a very old version of MicroStation (Version 5 running on an old Intergraph unix workstation) and generated TIFFs through I-Plot.
I tried the "outline.tbl" but am getting the same result - not showing outline of filled shape.
The current behavior exists because it is (or at least used to be) a common workflow to create compound shapes by abutting multiple filled shapes with zero-width borders next to each other. On the screen, you can't tell the result is not one single filled object. However, on a vector plotter, the interior polygon fill and outline are dithered differently, resulting in a jigsaw-like effect. *Not* printing a zero-width border, when the border is the same color as the interior fill, yields the closest match to what the graphics hardware produces in the view.
There is an undocumented configuration variable that can be used to change this behavior: MS_PLT_FILL_OUTLINE_THRESHOLD. Range of values is -1 through 31, corresponding to index weights. The default is -1. When printing a polygon outline with the same color as the fill, if the outline weight is greater than the threshold value, the outline is suppressed. To ensure *all* outlines are printed, set the threshold weight to 31.
However, be aware that this operating mode is *neither formally nor informally tested*. I really don't know if it still works or not. I do recall the idea was to make this a documented feature, but we found enough problems with undesirable polygon outlines in printouts to nix the plan. So good luck if you choose to go that route, and know that you're on your own. That said, unwanted outlines would probably be less of an issue in monochrome TIFF than full color HP-GL/2 or vector PDF.
ok you didnt say your objects were cells my pentable was set to find shapes and change the out line to black, but your chapes in cells are crossing over each other ie arrow head so we cant have a black outline... so I modified the pentable, pentables are easy if you open them thro the plot dialog..
I didnt get andrews explanation, and you would need to make it company wide ... a pentable if it works is better control..
If you still want it to look good with black outline, you would need to replace all your cells to only have an outside outline no cross overs... in any case it looks good to me with the dgn you supplied, modified pentable and same color out line to modify I had to add cells to the element types thro the plot edit pentable gui, then same gui output turn off color 0 as a choice you could always put it back.. now the other thing that could effect this is resolution.. my pdf is 600dpi... your tiff could be lower so you cant resolve the ends detail as clearly...OUTLINE-Default-000.pdf5756.outline.tbl
ok simple solution was to edit the pentable to select everthing on the expected level 51, change the outline output to a differnt rgb value a slightly darker shade of red, and set under the options to explode cells.. it still did not work perfect on the arcs within the cells, so i suggested to actualy drop the cells where they are located and then print via the modified pentable and edit the TIFF driver to 600 dpi rather than 300 default to get the resolution of the tips of the comet tails to show...
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