CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Lorys — Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:20:36 GMT

Hi Rod sounds like you should create a workbook on how to set it up and all things print organizer and get bentley to pay for it.. as the help is hopeless....

alternatively an article / tutorial in your online mag newsletter at envisioncad would be awesome...

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Dennis Wadas — Thu, 05 May 2022 15:42:25 GMT

Thanks so much for this post Ian! I've been trying to get the stupid sheet index to print organizer method to work and am at the point of just picking up my computer and throwing it out the window. Nothing like knowing that you can do 100% of everything more efficiently with the old software. They make one change that seems great but is causes four new problems. I used to love Bentley products. Now, not so much.

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Rod Wing — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 16:01:12 GMT

The Sheet Index is used to collect and organize the sheets (sheet models only) in your project (WorkSet). You can set up automatic sheet numbering criteria for different folders in the index that are automatically added to the sheet models. If you move a sheet, the numbers automatically adjust. From the Sheet Index it can be as easy as one click to send your sheets to Print Organizer, then one click in Print Organizer to print.

As Ian Lapper points out, it's usually not that easy.

It takes a lot of time, and patience, to get workflows set up to use it efficiently. It is best used in conjunction with the Named Boundary tool to cut the sheets and reference them into their own sheet models. You have to set up custom drawing boundaries so that the cut area is placed in the correct location on the sheet.

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

mwlong — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:59:08 GMT

[quote userid="2269" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/228395/ce-16-2-how-is-paper-size-selected-when-creating-a-pset-with-sheet-index/706487"]The Printing & Plotting Forum would be a good place to post that question.[/quote]

Yes, that is true. I do not have the option to move it to that forum.

[quote userid="4980" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/228395/ce-16-2-how-is-paper-size-selected-when-creating-a-pset-with-sheet-index/706501"]Since you can only have one Sheet Index per WorkSet it might take some creating thinking to work around that.[/quote]

The sheets are defined as ANSI D. The plot driver is set to have ANSI B as the default paper size. This forces the pset to use the ANSI B paper size. I created a new driver and have only ANSI D defined. I have an ANSI B one created as well. If I create a .pset with the ANSI D driver but, if I want to create an ANSI B set I can just open the .pset, switch the plot driver to ANSI B and print the set. The sheets will scale properly.

That is the workaround at the moment.

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Ian Lapper — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:47:20 GMT

[quote userid="60593" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/228395/ce-16-2-how-is-paper-size-selected-when-creating-a-pset-with-sheet-index/706506"]What exactly is the point of the Sheet Index?[/quote]

It is suppose to offer you the ability to :

create sheets files incusing the file name and models - doesn't do this very well

manage sheets - doesn't allow you to use the DGN filename as the sheet index name

link to print organizer - doesn't do this very well

create sheet issue reports - gave up trying

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Ian Lapper — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:43:35 GMT

confusion, anger, disappointment, frustration

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Barry Lothian — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:37:56 GMT

What exactly is the point of the Sheet Index?

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Ian Lapper — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:37:38 GMT

I agree. In the UK we typically use a A1 as a master sheet but we print them at A3 (A3 is 50% of and A1). Using Sheet indexing we cannot do this in a simple manner. if you manually setup the PSET you get the option to change the sheet print size

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Rod Wing — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:31:53 GMT

The Sheet Index uses the paper size defined in the sheet model to determine the print paper size. That size is carried over to Print Organizer when you export the sheets in the Sheet Index to Print Organizer.

You want to have the Sheet Model paper size correct to start with as the affects scaling, positioning, etc. of your print. You can change the paper size in Print Organizer.

Your question does bring up some interesting workflow challenges, as it is not uncommon to print sheets on D Size (or larger) for public comment, then print the final plan set on B Size paper. Since you can only have one Sheet Index per WorkSet it might take some creating thinking to work around that.

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Ian Lapper — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:07:58 GMT

I have found that if you use the Sheet Index to create the Print Organisor setup, you lose all controls over the print/plot setup including paper size. If you manually create the print organisor you get the full control back.

= Sheet index is not fit for purpose... never has been and c. 6 years later still is next to useless.

Ian

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

Jon Summers — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:47:44 GMT

[quote userid="5256" url="~/products/microstation/f/microstation-forum/228395/ce-16-2-how-is-paper-size-selected-when-creating-a-pset-with-sheet-index"]Is there any way to change the paper size after the .pset is developed?[/quote]

The Printing & Plotting Forum would be a good place to post that question.

RE: CE 16.2 How is paper size selected when creating a .pset with Sheet Index??

mwlong — Wed, 13 Apr 2022 14:29:52 GMT

I ended up creating 2 plot drivers. 1 with only ANSI D paper size the other with ANSI B only.