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&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Original Article&amp;nbsp;Date:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; April 27, 2001&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The recent additions of the barmenu articles have resulted in a candid discussion on &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; comparing barmenus to the settings manager! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="border-bottom:#cccccc 1pt solid;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The following comments are snippets from a thread in &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; discussing barmenus vs. the Settings Manager. Contributions are from: &lt;em&gt;Simon Wurster&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Robert M.&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Chuck Rheault&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Sean &amp;quot;Bear&amp;quot; Forward&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Solo&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Dave Preston&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Supports true multi-level menu branching, which provides a one-to-many-to-many relationship(just like the MicroStation menu bar!).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can be used simultaneously to organize menus into logical categories (such as a project menu and a discipline menu) by copying barmenu.ma as _barmenu.ma (or whatever).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The source for a barmenu can be created and maintained in a spreadsheet so tabular documentation can be printed.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The source spreadsheet is used to back-check level usage using our proprietry software application. This provides full-circle QC: the spreadsheet creates the menu which controls the placement of objects, then the spreadsheet is used to check the level objects are on.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Facilitates easier administration of design groups...where each group can use thier own barmenus and sub-barmenus for specific tasks.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Maximum control over groupings. 100% user configurable.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Create in any text editor....but watch for unwanted spaces and tabs that some editors may create.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Can also be created with macros or Visual Basic.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You can make MDF files read only via NT so users can&amp;#39;t edit them.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;It&amp;#39;s configuration simplicity&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;MDF files can be edited in MS Word and then password protected.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;All hail Bill Steinbock!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;100% user configurable. If you can fix it; someone else can break it!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;It&amp;#39;s inability to show at a glance what the current setting is and click on the setting again without having to go thru a set of pulldowns.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Best way to learn all possible settings appropriate for a drafted element.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;If you are tasked with creating drafting standards, look at each one of the dialog boxes for a complete idea of possible settings to assign and pay close attention to the scale feature.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Compactness and configurability&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The ability to see a glance what the current item is and select it again if need be.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is a &lt;em&gt;one-to-many&lt;/em&gt; relationship, which is VERY cumbersome on large project menus.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Only one settings manager dialogue can be used at one time.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The STB file works only with the Settings Manager and nothing else.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Too few choice points - You only have a group list and a component list. For some tasks, one or both of these lists may get very long; requiring a lot of scrolling.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Binary data files&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The inability to copy items from one group to another.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;When exporting the STG files - the resulting text files are too &amp;quot;wordy&amp;quot;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
When importing text files, the results can be &amp;quot;buggy&amp;quot;.
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;If there are too many groups or components, it may become unproductive.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The ideal would be the GUI of Settings Manager, with the option of a submenu under the item AND with the ASCII data file structure of &lt;br /&gt;barmenus!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

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</description></item><item><title>Barmenu Wars - Comments from CCM</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/w/askinga/1180/barmenu-wars-comments-from-ccm/revision/2</link><pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:03:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:2dfdf8f5-38b6-456a-9570-8d458ed7bf70</guid><dc:creator>Hannah Blye</dc:creator><comments>https://communities.bentley.com/products/microstation/w/askinga/1180/barmenu-wars-comments-from-ccm#comments</comments><description>Revision 2 posted to [Archived] AskInga Wiki by Hannah Blye on 6/20/2008 6:03:41 PM&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Original Article&amp;nbsp;Date:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt; April 27, 2001&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The recent additions of the barmenu articles have resulted in a candid discussion on &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; comparing barmenus to the settings manager! 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="border-bottom: #cccccc 1pt solid"&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The following comments are snippets from a thread in &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; discussing barmenus vs. the Settings Manager. Contributions are from: &lt;em&gt;Simon Wurster&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Robert M.&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Chuck Rheault&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Sean &amp;quot;Bear&amp;quot; Forward&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Solo&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Dave Preston&lt;/em&gt; 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Supports true multi-level menu branching, which provides a one-to-many-to-many relationship(just like the MicroStation menu bar!).&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Can be used simultaneously to organize menus into logical categories (such as a project menu and a discipline menu) by copying barmenu.ma as _barmenu.ma (or whatever).&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The source for a barmenu can be created and maintained in a spreadsheet so tabular documentation can be printed.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The source spreadsheet is used to back-check level usage using our proprietry software application. This provides full-circle QC: the spreadsheet creates the menu which controls the placement of objects, then the spreadsheet is used to check the level objects are on.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Facilitates easier administration of design groups...where each group can use thier own barmenus and sub-barmenus for specific tasks.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Maximum control over groupings. 100% user configurable.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Create in any text editor....but watch for unwanted spaces and tabs that some editors may create.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Can also be created with macros or Visual Basic.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;You can make MDF files read only via NT so users can't edit them.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;It's configuration simplicity&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;MDF files can be edited in MS Word and then password protected.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;All hail Bill Steinbock!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;100% user configurable. If you can fix it; someone else can break it!&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;It's inability to show at a glance what the current setting is and click on the setting again without having to go thru a set of pulldowns.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Best way to learn all possible settings appropriate for a drafted element.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;If you are tasked with creating drafting standards, look at each one of the dialog boxes for a complete idea of possible settings to assign and pay close attention to the scale feature.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Compactness and configurability&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The ability to see a glance what the current item is and select it again if need be.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Is a &lt;em&gt;one-to-many&lt;/em&gt; relationship, which is VERY cumbersome on large project menus.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Only one settings manager dialogue can be used at one time.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The STB file works only with the Settings Manager and nothing else.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Too few choice points - You only have a group list and a component list. For some tasks, one or both of these lists may get very long; requiring a lot of scrolling.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Binary data files&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The inability to copy items from one group to another.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;When exporting the STG files - the resulting text files are too &amp;quot;wordy&amp;quot;.&lt;/li&gt;When importing text files, the results can be &amp;quot;buggy&amp;quot;. 
	&lt;li&gt;If there are too many groups or components, it may become unproductive.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The ideal would be the GUI of Settings Manager, with the option of a submenu under the item AND with the ASCII data file structure of &lt;br /&gt;
	barmenus!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
AskInga Article #71 
&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;

&lt;div style="font-size: 90%;"&gt;Tags: Article, Askinga, Automation, Programming&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The recent additions of the barmenu articles have resulted in a candid discussion on &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; comparing barmenus to the settings manager! 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;div style="border-bottom: #cccccc 1pt solid"&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
The following comments are snippets from a thread in &lt;em&gt;comp.cad.microstation&lt;/em&gt; discussing barmenus vs. the Settings Manager. Contributions are from: &lt;em&gt;Simon Wurster&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Robert M.&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Chuck Rheault&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Sean &amp;quot;Bear&amp;quot; Forward&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;&amp;quot;Solo&amp;quot;&lt;/em&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Dave Preston&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Supports true multi-level menu branching, which provides a one-to-many-to-many relationship(just like the MicroStation menu bar!).&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Can be used simultaneously to organize menus into logical categories (such as a project menu and a discipline menu) by copying barmenu.ma as _barmenu.ma (or whatever).&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The source for a barmenu can be created and maintained in a spreadsheet so tabular documentation can be printed.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The source spreadsheet is used to back-check level usage using our proprietry software application. This provides full-circle QC: the spreadsheet creates the menu which controls the placement of objects, then the spreadsheet is used to check the level objects are on.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Facilitates easier administration of design groups...where each group can use thier own barmenus and sub-barmenus for specific tasks.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Maximum control over groupings. 100% user configurable.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Create in any text editor....but watch for unwanted spaces and tabs that some editors may create.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Can also be created with macros or Visual Basic.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;You can make MDF files read only via NT so users can't edit them.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;It's configuration simplicity&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;MDF files can be edited in MS Word and then password protected.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;All hail Bill Steinbock!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Barmenus&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;100% user configurable. If you can fix it; someone else can break it!&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;It's inability to show at a glance what the current setting is and click on the setting again without having to go thru a set of pulldowns.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Positive Comments: 
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Best way to learn all possible settings appropriate for a drafted element.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;If you are tasked with creating drafting standards, look at each one of the dialog boxes for a complete idea of possible settings to assign and pay close attention to the scale feature.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Compactness and configurability&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The ability to see a glance what the current item is and select it again if need be.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;The Settings Manager&lt;/strong&gt; - Weaknesses:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Is a &lt;em&gt;one-to-many&lt;/em&gt; relationship, which is VERY cumbersome on large project menus.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Only one settings manager dialogue can be used at one time.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The STB file works only with the Settings Manager and nothing else.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Too few choice points - You only have a group list and a component list. For some tasks, one or both of these lists may get very long; requiring a lot of scrolling.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;Binary data files&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The inability to copy items from one group to another.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;When exporting the STG files - the resulting text files are too &amp;quot;wordy&amp;quot;.&lt;/li&gt;When importing text files, the results can be &amp;quot;buggy&amp;quot;. 
	&lt;li&gt;If there are too many groups or components, it may become unproductive.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;The ideal would be the GUI of Settings Manager, with the option of a submenu under the item AND with the ASCII data file structure of &lt;br /&gt;
	barmenus!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
	&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
Ask Inga Article #71
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