Bentley Communities
Bentley Communities
  • Site
  • User
  • Site
  • Search
  • User
AutoPIPE
  • Product Communities
AutoPIPE
AutoPIPE Wiki > How to find why an imported file is causing AutoPIPE to Abort or Crash?
    • Sign In
    • -Pipe and Vessel Stress Analysis - Wiki
      • +ADL PIPE
      • -Bentley AutoPIPE
        • +- General Information about AutoPIPE
        • +- NEW User Guide for AutoPIPE
        • +- Technical Support - AutoPIPE
        • +Batch Processing, ITS, and ATS using AutoPIPE
        • AutoPIPE QA&R program
        • +Download - Install - Release Notes - AutoPIPE
        • +File / Model Management using AutoPIPE
        • +General - AutoPIPE
        • +Graphics - AutoPIPE
        • +Grids (Input & Results) - AutoPIPE
        • -Import and Export - AutoPIPE
          • 01: What file formats can AutoPIPE Import/Export?
          • -02. Imported related issues in AutoPIPE
            • +02-01.a: Import AutoPIPE DAT model
            • +02-01.b: Issues with Importing *.NTL file into AutoPIPE
            • -02-02. AutoPIPE Translators
              • +ADLPipe Translator - AutoPIPE
              • -PCF Translator Issues for AutoPIPE
                • -01. PCF Translator FAQ & troubleshooting - AutoPIPE
                  • 0. How to install AutoPIPE's PCF translator?
                  • -01. PCF Import process aborted or crashed: what should I do?
                    • > How to find why an imported file is causing AutoPIPE to Abort or Crash?
                  • +02. PCF Translator Freezes / Not Responding / disappears from screen; now what should I do in AutoPIPE?
                  • 03. Import from Autodesk Inventor PCF files show flanges and valves as weightless “Zero Weight” components, why and how to avoid when using PCF translator in AutoPIPE?
                  • 04. "E880-1: Error in opening import batch file. File extension must be NTL" message appear when importing a PCF fiule in AutoPIPE, why and how to avoid?
                  • 05. No graphical elements found for the components after importing file into AutoPIPE
                  • 06. Branch piping is not connected to the main header pipe in converted AutoPIPE PCF file, why?
                  • 07. When importing a PCF file, all the pipe sizes are very large or small in AutoPIPE, why and how to resolve?
                  • 08. When I open the .NTL file in AutoPIPE, it truncates my pressure values, why and how to avoid?
                  • +09. Is my piping code, material, and component supported in AutoPIPE's PCF translator?
                  • 10. Imported PCF file containing branch connection O-let / olet (weldolet, elbolet, threadolet, etc..) are not connected correctly in AutoPIPE model, why and how to avoid?
                  • 11. When importing a PCf file into AutoPIPE, Status = "Incorrect Component Connection Tolerance Value", why and how to avoid?
                  • 12. When importing a PCF file, all the pipe wall thickness values are very large in AutoPIPE, why and how to resolve?
                  • 13. How to map a Line Number from a PCF file into AutoPIPE?
                  • 13. PCF Translator closes abruptly when importing a model into AutoPIPE, how to fix it?
                  • +14. Mapping examples from PCF translator to AutoPIPE?
                  • 15. Why are parts of my PCF translated file into AutoPIPE missing piping or components?
                  • 16. Why are all imported flanges from a PCF file rotated 90 deg when opened in an AutoPIPE model?
                  • 17. How to reset the PCF translator PCFin.MAP used inside of AutoPIPE?
                  • 18. Parts of my PCF translated file into AutoPIPE have piping that is not connected, why?
                  • 19. How to remove Cad Length from AutoPIPE Model?
                  • 20. Cannot select a specific item from drop down listing when importing a PCF file into AutoPIPE, why?
                  • 21. How to filter out small bore piping from being translated into an AutoPIPE model?
                  • 22. What units are used for and how is the Bend Radius calculated when importing a PCF file into AutoPIPE?
                  • 23. How are bend radius calculated when importing a PCF file into AutoPIPE?
                  • 24. PCF Imported Bends are shown as straight pipe in AutoPIPE, why/
                  • Q. How to create a PCF file for AutoPIPE?
                • 03. PCF Translator: Known Issues
                • +04. PCF Translator Version History
                • +05. Added details about AutoPIPE's PCF Translator "Tools > Settings"
                • Q. Documentation on AutoPIPE's PCF translator
              • +STRAIT Translator in AutoPIPE
            • +02-02.d Import ISM files into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.a1: Example 1 - After import, how to fix piping that are not all connected?
            • 02-03.a2: Example 2 - After import, how to fix piping that are not all connected?
            • +02-03.b: Import MS Excel or AutoCAD DWG / DXF into AutoPIPE?
            • 02-03.c: AutoDesk REVIT into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.e.i: PXF Import : CADAP.MAP Options
            • +02-03.e: Troubleshooting - Import AutoPlant / OpenPLANT PXF file into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.f: Can AutoPIPE Import Bentley Microstation model information?
            • 02-03.f: Can AutoPIPE V8i Import / Export Bentley HAMMER loads?
            • +02-03.h: Import PlantSPACE model into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.i: Import ProStructures into AutoPIPE
            • +02-03.j: Insert> Model From Bentley SACS using PipeLink or ISM
            • +02-03.k: Insert> Model From STAAD Using PipeLink
            • 02-03.l: CAD To AutoPIPE Integration
            • 02-03.m: Import CIMSteel Integration Standards (CIS/2) or STP file information into AutoPIPE
            • +02-03.n: Import / Export caesar (cii) or Areva PDMS (cii) with AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.o: Import CAE Pipe or Kpipe into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.r: Import OpenBIM data exchange (IFC) information into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.s: Import Pipe Net into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.t: Import PDMS using I-Sketch, I-Run or Spoolgen into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.u: Import PTC Creo into AutoPIPE
            • 02-03.v: Can AutoPIPE Import SAP 2000 model file?
            • 02-03.w: Import TRIMBLE PIPEDESIGNER 3D into AutoPIPE
            • 04-001: While importing or copy paste into AutoPIPE model, the node numbers are renaming automatically. How to import / copy geometry without changing the node numbers?
          • +03. Exported related issues in AutoPIPE
        • +Known Issues in AutoPIPE (Enhancements, defects, etc..)
        • +Libraries - AutoPIPE
        • +License AutoPIPE -
        • +Loads and Load Sets - AutoPIPE
        • +Localization (Non-English Language) - AutoPIPE
        • +Modeling Approaches in AutoPIPE
        • +Modules (i.e. Flange Analysis, Spring Hanger Selection, Rotating Equip, TTA) in AutoPIPE
        • +Piping codes - AutoPIPE
        • +Post Processing - AutoPIPE
        • +Printing - AutoPIPE
        • +Reports - AutoPIPE
        • Security
        • +Settings - AutoPIPE
        • +Stress Isometrics - AutoPIPE
        • +Technology Productivity Capabilities
        • +Warnings, Errors, Crashed, Confirm, etc.. messages in AutoPIPE
      • +Bentley AutoPIPE Nozzle (WinNOZL)
      • +Bentley AutoPIPE Vessel (powered by Microprotol)
      • +Bentley PlantFLOW
      • +Bentley PULS
    • Multi-lingual announcement from BENTLEY TECHNICAL SUPPORT.
    • Working at Home with AutoPIPE
    • +AutoPIPE Brand Learning Resources
    • +Attend a live meeting with an AutoPIPE Analyst

     
     Questions about this article, topic, or product? Click here. 

    > How to find why an imported file is causing AutoPIPE to Abort or Crash?

    The following procedure is a fool proof way of determining why AutoPIPE is Aborting or Crashing when importing a from another program.

    Step #1:

    Review the *.log files

     

    AutoPIPE provides a number of translators to import files from other programs (PCF Translator, ADL Pipe Translator, etc..). While using these programs they will usually generate a filename.log file for the user to review. There is valuable information in the log file:

    1. Detailed information about what a what a component was mapped to
    2. Default values used if information was missing from imported files
    3. etc..

    Step #2:

    Review the *.msg files

     

    There are multiple files created when importing a file into AutoPIPE (DAT, BAK, LCK, PRV, MSG, etc..). The *.MSG file contains valuable information about the imported file. The user can review warnings and errors that occurred during the import process. These *.MSG files can be opened by any text editor (i.e Notepad++, Ultra Edit, MS Word, etc..). See WIKI here for additional information about the messages. 

    Example

    In this example, at node point 104 a new pipe size was defined (PIPE 0.1-10). However the translator could not understand what wall thickness or pipe schedule to use. Therefor it assumed a default wall thickness = outside dia / 4. The user is warned about this via the warning message in the *.MSG file and should immediately review the pipe properties and update them as needed. 

    Avoidance, the PCF file is either missing wall thickness information or the information is not formatted correctly. After determining which is the primary reason, work with technical support of the application used to create the PCF file to correct the problem. 

    After pressing Convert button in the PCF translator, the following happens behind the scene:

    1. The translator generates an AutoPIPE Batch *.NTL file.
    2. AutoPIPE automatically starts
    3. AutoPIPE automatically reads in the newly generated *.NTL file 

    If successful, the user can then start using AutoPIPE as required to complete the stress analysis.

    However, if there is a problem the program will either:

    • Generate an Abort report

    or

    • The application will close

    Review the Abort report, if available, for more information on why the imported *.NTL file aborted. Otherwise continue to step #3.

    Step #3:

    Use an iterative approach to import the file.

     

    1. Open the *.NTL file (located in the same folder as the imported file) using any text editor (i.e Notepad++, Ultra Edit, MS Word, etc..)
    2. Go to the end of the file to see how many line numbers there are in the file (ex 8480 lines)
    3. Divide the total line numbers in half, and go to that line number (ex. go to line 4240)
    4. Go to the next Batch Input Command (ex. line #4250) see AutoPIPE help section: Help > Contents> Contents Tab> Bentley AutoPIPE> Batch NTL Input Reference> Command Card Reference)
    5. Delete from this line and all lines to the bottom of the file (ex. delete lines 4250 to 8480)
    6. Save the file with a new name (ex. Test1), make sure the file extension is .NTL
    7. Start AutoPIPE
    8. Inside of AutoPIPE select File > Open> select AutoPIPE Batch *.NTL
    9. Search for and try to open the last *.NTL file just saved. 

    The newly created file will either open or it will not open and crash again. 

    Step #4a:

    If the file opens:

    Great, but half the file is still missing and there is no indication on why the imported file crashes.

    1. Open the original file again in a text editor
    2. Divide the total delete line in half again, add this value to the starting line number and go to that line number (ex. 4249 + (8480 - 4250) / 2] = 4249 + 2125 = 6374, go to line #6374)
    3. Again, go to the next Batch Input Command (ex. line #6380)
    4. Delete from this line and all lines to the bottom of the file (ex. delete lines 6380 to 8480)
    5. Save the file with a new name (ex. Test2), make sure the file extension is .NTL
    6. Start AutoPIPE
    7. Inside of AutoPIPE select File > Open> select AutoPIPE Batch *.NTL
    8. Search for and try to open the last *.NTL file just saved. 
    9. The newly created file will either open or it will not open and crash again. 

    Repeat the process as needed to delete more lines or add lines back into the file. At one point there will be a single command card between the file that imports and the file that does not import. Use AutoPIPE help to determine exactly what part of the command card is not configured or missing, open the original file make the necessary change and try to import the complete newly fixed file. 

    Note there may be more than one error in a file. Again, repeat the process as need until the complete file is imported. 

    Step #4b:

    If the file Does Not open:

    Well at least we know that the problem is in the first half of the file.

    1. Open the last saved file again in a text editor
    2. Perform the same steps again:
    3. Divide the total line numbers in half, and go to that line number (ex. go to line 4250 / 2 = 2125)
    4. Go to the next Batch Input Command (ex. line #2130) 
    5. Delete from this line and all lines to the bottom of the file (ex. delete lines 2130 to 4250)
    6. Save the file with a new name (ex. Test2), make sure the file extension is .NTL
    7. Start AutoPIPE
    8. Inside of AutoPIPE select File > Open> select AutoPIPE Batch *.NTL
    9. Search for and try to open the last *.NTL file just saved. 

    The newly created file will either open or it will not open and crash again.

    Repeat the process above until the file opens in AutoPIPE and follow those instructions above to resolve the issue. 

    See Also

    Issues with Importing *.NTL file

    PCF Translator FAQ & troubleshooting

    Bentley AutoPIPE

    • PCF
    • import
    • Aborted
    • NTL
    • Iterative
    • AutoPIPE
    • crashed
    • Share
    • History
    • More
    • Cancel
    • Mike Dattilio Created by Bentley Colleague Mike Dattilio
    • When: Fri, Nov 13 2020 11:15 AM
    • Mike Dattilio Last revision by Bentley Colleague Mike Dattilio
    • When: Fri, Nov 13 2020 11:45 AM
    • Revisions: 9
    • Comments: 0
    Recommended
    Related
    Communities
    • Home
    • Getting Started
    • Community Central
    • Products
    • Support
    • Secure File Upload
    • Feedback
    Support and Services
    • Home
    • Product Support
    • Downloads
    • Subscription Services Portal
    Training and Learning
    • Home
    • About Bentley Institute
    • My Learning History
    • Reference Books
    Social Media
    •    LinkedIn
    •    Facebook
    •    Twitter
    •    YouTube
    •    RSS Feed
    •    Email

    © 2023 Bentley Systems, Incorporated  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy |  Terms of Use  |  Cookies