Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Jukka Waarni — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:31:18 GMT

Hi, I am now using MiSt CE and I have a problem with text input method. What does this 3:0.5000 (red circled) mean? Where I can chenge input configuration so that I am able to input 3.5 (lie earlier)? This appears where text height is needed (dimension style, text editor etc.)

Please foward this if you are not the rigth person to answer (I tired to find a person from Bentley Communities to answer to my questoion but all was mentioned as "Cannot Message").

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Rahul Kumar — Mon, 11 May 2015 19:38:00 GMT

Hello Jukka,

On Hub length graphics issue, I would like to inform you that this issue resulted in Defect Report# 210557, and will be evaluated by the product management team for our regular SELECT updates.

Regards
Rahul Kumar

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Rahul Kumar — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 13:52:57 GMT

Hi Jukka,

For placement of auto flange, below are the two way you can do with flanges.

A. Using AutoFlange table: - Enabling this option will place the valve without counter Flanges if there is no entry in it. However if you select and enter the size in AutoFlange table option using specification generator, it will deliver the spec grid with the selected flange to choose to pick the flange. See image below for your reference please.

Below are the details you could find it from help file menu. Also see image below for quick reference.

B.With No AutoFlange function: Placement of WNRF on valve by default is being done by the Autofitting Rule set in ‘AutoFittingRules.xml’ files available in the default system folder - C:\ProgramData\Bentley\OpenPlantModeler V8i\WorkSpace\OPModeler\System. You can modify the first entry on WNRF and set the LJF entry first. See image with default and with the changed settings.

After modification: You need to add the End prep to LJ flange like shown for WNRF.

However on loose flanges with Hub thickness, it is being calculated 2XFLG_TH_M value present in spec. I will check the possibility and update you on this. This will only affecting the graphical representation.

On Collar dia is equal to Pipe OD and weld are also coming correctly by following above method. If you provide some steps to reproduce then we could be able to assist you further.

Thank you for the files and your valuable input on this.Please let us know if it helps.

Regards,
Rahul Kumar

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Jukka Waarni — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:21:32 GMT

Hi Ian,

As attached you will find flange tables for

- Austenitic CrNi-pipes (stainless steel, AISI304)

- Austenitic CrNiMo-pipes (stainless steel, AISI316)

We very seldom use flange type 11, but it is needed in catalog, too (I think that kind of type is already available in catalogs, only names must be changed and that can we do ourselves?).

Best Regards,

Väärni Jukka CHIEF ENGINEER, Etteplan Design Center Oy PLANT PROJECTS

Mobile:	+358400632458
Work:	+358103072258
Email:	jukka.vaarni@etteplan.com
SKYPE:	jukka.vaarni

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Jukka Waarni — Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:39:28 GMT

Hello Ian,

I do not know if both (lab-joint stub end or slip on flange) are not right ones for me (after searching web and seeing some images).

Slip om flange:

Lab joint flange:

The loose flange with collar (for austenitic stainless CrNi-steel and austenitic stainless CrNiMo-steel) that I need is according to standard EN 1092-1, types 02 & 35. For smaller pipes can be used type 11, too. As you can see inside red rectangle below (table is only for PN10 but form of the loose flange is similar for PN6, PN16, PN25, and PN40), loose flanges are without a “neck”. There are more flange types 11 for pressure classes PN25 and PN40 and for PN63 type 11 is the only possible.

If needed I can send you collection of the EN flange tables.

Normally collars and flanges are provided from same vendor. Material of the collar is according to pipe material (austenitic stainless CrNi-steel and austenitic stainless CrNiMo-steel) and loose flange material usually is steel (P265GH) for saving money.

About welding mark: I want it to be there. There is always a welding connection between a collar and pipe.

Best Regards,

Väärni Jukka CHIEF ENGINEER, Etteplan Design Center Oy PLANT PROJECTS

Mobile:	+358400632458
Work:	+358103072258
Email:	jukka.vaarni@etteplan.com
SKYPE:	jukka.vaarni

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Ian Robinson — Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:08:21 GMT

Hi Jukka,

Can you provide some more information on what you mean by a collar? I see in your image you have said that a lap-joint stub end is not the right fitting type here. Are the collars you refer to fabricated or can they be purchased from a vendor? If they can be purchased do you have a link where we can get the details on them?

Also you asked how can you get a butt weld mark between the collar and pipe. Is this not what you want to happen or is this fitting normally connected to the pipe in another manner?

Regards,
Ian Robinson

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Jukka Waarni — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 05:18:52 GMT

Hello Rahul,

I am using

Bentley Open Plant Modeler V8i, version 08.11.09.404

Bentley Open Plant Specification Generator V8i, version 08.11.09.404

Best Regards,

Väärni Jukka CHIEF ENGINEER, Etteplan Design Center Oy PLANT PROJECTS

Mobile:	+358400632458
Work:	+358103072258
Email:	jukka.vaarni@etteplan.com
SKYPE:	jukka.vaarni

RE: Open Plant Modeler / Spec generator: Valve with flanges connecting with slip on Flange including bolts, nuts and gasket

Rahul Kumar — Tue, 04 Nov 2014 04:09:20 GMT

Hello Jukka,

I can help you precisely, if you provide me the version number you are using.

Regards,
Rahul Kumar