Promis-e Conduits,building wires & reporting

I am running building wires between two cubicles and they will be contained in a flexible conduit.

In my last project when I ran a conduit, I created cable-type symbols (depicting conduits) and then had to filter the cable report not to show my conduits then run a second cable report filtering all but the conduits then rename the report header (text on drawing)

My question, is this the easiest way to depict wires run in conduit?

I need to be able to accurately report what wires will go through the conduit as I will have them made as a loom to be initially terminated at one of the cubicles before it arrives onsite.

thanks in advance 

L

  •  

    There are a couple different ways that this could be done, depending on what you ultimately wish for results. Cable and conduits are not the same thing. Generally a cable is a a preassembled part, with a set number and designation of conductors. So a cable family limits the number and connection point text you can use. A conduit is generally more like a promise. wireway.....its a path for the wires to take, and can be variable in the number of conductors used.

    One of the easiest ways is to use one of the many wire properties fields on the wires to be the conduit name. So like wire guage and color, you could have conduit name. Then the user is assigning the conduit name desired to the wire, and the wire reports can easily be filtered, even using the existing filters, or you could write a custom report to always show only those wires.

    Another way would be to designate conduits would be to use the raceway/shortest distance functions of promis.e. Then the conduits are the wireways (you could name them COND, instead of WW, or whatever you wish). Then the software could designate the paths, and the wire list report are already set up to report the wireway name.

    Using a cable symbol to designate conduit might work for some applications, but what if you had a cable that you wanted to put in a conduit? The software will error because you can't have the same wire be part of 2 different cables. It does give you a visual indicator on the page, but you might be able to use a standard symbol with no connection points depending on what you are looking for. Also a cable family will limit the amount and designations of the conductor names.

     

    You would need to determine if you require a visual component, what your reporting needs are, and how much automation you want versus manual control of the conduit assignments.

  • Thanks for the advice Tani,

    I really just want to be able to quickly place a symbol indicating a conduit and then assign wires to that conduit. Whether they are encircled, selected, placed a child symbol on, or whatever as long as it works. Like you said, I would get an error if I wanted to place a cable in a conduit using my current method.

    The two methods you have suggested look to be a little time consuming when you compare how easy it is to place and report on a cable. What does everyone else do? Would Bentley see a need to do for conduits what they have done for cables?

  •  

    The raceway/shortest distance functions are higher level functions, and could be quite time consuming depending on the level of automation or output that you want, but the first method should be very easy and comparable to the symbol. With the cable symbol, you draw the wire, assign it attributes, then place the cable symbol as a conduit, then filter the cable report on conduits or run a custom report with the filter built in. With the other method, you draw the wire, assign attributes including the conduit name, then filter the wire report on conduits or run a custom report. It should be basically the same amount of work.