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ProjectWise Design Integration Forum need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise
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    need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise

    Kevin
    Offline Kevin over 8 years ago

    Hello,

    We are battling to use Civil 3D with Project Wise (Civil 3D versions 2013, 2014 and 2015).

    We experience gradual longer waits for drawings to open as more data shortcuts are created and sometimes the data shortcuts become broken (reason unknown).

    Some guides indicate that the problem could be circular referencing.

    Maybe the process we used for data shortcuts on the "network" cannot be used with Project Wise - ? Is that true?

    We never experienced this problem with data shortcuts on the network (from years 2008 to 2014).

    Is the following maybe a circular reference?

    • Start a Civil 3D data shortcuts project (CivilDSProj ZIP file)
    • Create existing ground surface DWG (A.DWG)
    • Create surface in A.DWG and add data shortcut to the CivilDSProj
    • Create road centre-line DWG (B.DWG)
    • Create alignment in B.DWG and add data shortcut to the CivilDSProj
    • Create a road design DWG (C.DWG)
    • Add data references (existing ground surface and road alignment) to C.DWG
    • Create a road top surface in C.DWG and add data shortcut to the CivilSProj

    If this is not a Civil 3D circular reference then what is? Please provide an example.

    Dependency Viewer of C.DWG: 

    Thanks for your patience,

    Thx for reading,

    Kevin.

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    • Paul Patterson
      0 Paul Patterson Mon, Jul 27 2015 1:10 PM
      Kevin,

      Our initial way of thinking was to just have one datashortcuts project per job.. but the volume of associations this would create within ProjectWise over time was staggering. This obviously led to a lengthy time to copy the data out of the data center, and down to the local PC's.. (cache servers helped here..)

      I can say through our experiences, we've found that dividing up the datashortcuts in a logical manner, has greatly improved the performance. Whether this be by area, segment, contract #, etc depends on your project.

      Additionally, as for shortcuts mysteriously disappearing, we've encountered similar. In our case, we found that this was largely due to poor design management.. the designers were renaming source model files.. renaming objects.. deleting objects.. etc. Never a dull moment.

      We've learned (the hard way), that it's crucial to have a proper file / object naming convention, as well as to lay out a model matrix upfront. Which, to be fair, is good practice anyways.

      Looking forward to your findings on the circular references...

      Regards,

      Paul

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      0 Offline Kevin Tue, Jul 28 2015 3:37 AM in reply to Paul Patterson
      Thanks Paul. Before we implemented Project Wise we did start to notice some small drop in C3D performance with a huge set of shortcuts in a single shortcut Project. Your answer is a logical solution that makes sense, to keep the number of shortcuts in a shortcut Project "workable". We must just come up with a split method that makes sense. Thanks again.
      I think the circular reference is just plain CAD XREF with Attachment type where users are not 100% sure of what can or cannot work.
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      0 Offline Kevin Tue, Jul 28 2015 3:37 AM in reply to Paul Patterson
      Thanks Paul. Before we implemented Project Wise we did start to notice some small drop in C3D performance with a huge set of shortcuts in a single shortcut Project. Your answer is a logical solution that makes sense, to keep the number of shortcuts in a shortcut Project "workable". We must just come up with a split method that makes sense. Thanks again.
      I think the circular reference is just plain CAD XREF with Attachment type where users are not 100% sure of what can or cannot work.
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