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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/projectwise/f/projectwise-di-forum/109180/need-examples-of-circular-reference-civil-3d-with-project-wise</link><description>Hello, 
 We are battling to use Civil 3D with Project Wise (Civil 3D versions 2013, 2014 and 2015). 
 We experience gradual longer waits for drawings to open as more data shortcuts are created and sometimes the data shortcuts become broken (reason unknown</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/534985?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:14:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:59223cd5-2fa4-415c-8ea8-114ce4a4ebc8</guid><dc:creator>Paul Patterson</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I think there&amp;#39;s many variables that would contribute.. there&amp;#39;s no hard number..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What you&amp;#39;ve suggested seems reasonable..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have you checked the dependency viewer?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/534225?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:07:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:bfc00df4-8f83-447c-838d-2927c02a025d</guid><dc:creator>spear</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Paul, how many references would you recommend as the threshold?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#39;re seeing performance issues with projects I wouldn&amp;#39;t consider multiple DS projects for.. ie. source drawings consist of&amp;nbsp; 5 Alignments in one file, 1 corridor file, 1 grading file, and 1 existing ground file. They are land development sized sites as well, not long highways.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/332301?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:37:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:72254c30-262c-4a9f-a597-c1672307f451</guid><dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator><description>Thanks Paul. Before we implemented Project Wise we did start to notice some small drop in C3D performance with a huge set of shortcuts in a single shortcut Project. Your answer is a logical solution that makes sense, to keep the number of shortcuts in a shortcut Project &amp;quot;workable&amp;quot;. We must just come up with a split method that makes sense. Thanks again.&lt;br /&gt;
I think the circular reference is just plain CAD XREF with Attachment type where users are not 100% sure of what can or cannot work.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/332234?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:10:28 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:774ed550-a061-41cc-8853-4f79f934ce0a</guid><dc:creator>Paul Patterson</dc:creator><description>Kevin,&lt;br /&gt;
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Our initial way of thinking was to just have one datashortcuts project per job.. but the volume of associations this would create within ProjectWise over time was staggering. This obviously led to a lengthy time to copy the data out of the data center, and down to the local PC&amp;#39;s.. (cache servers helped here..)&lt;br /&gt;
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I can say through our experiences, we&amp;#39;ve found that dividing up the datashortcuts in a logical manner, has greatly improved the performance. Whether this be by area, segment, contract #, etc depends on your project.&lt;br /&gt;
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Additionally, as for shortcuts mysteriously disappearing, we&amp;#39;ve encountered similar. In our case, we found that this was largely due to poor design management.. the designers were renaming source model files.. renaming objects.. deleting objects.. etc. Never a dull moment.&lt;br /&gt;
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We&amp;#39;ve learned (the hard way), that it&amp;#39;s crucial to have a proper file / object naming convention, as well as to lay out a model matrix upfront. Which, to be fair, is good practice anyways. &lt;br /&gt;
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Looking forward to your findings on the circular references...&lt;br /&gt;
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Regards,&lt;br /&gt;
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Paul&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/332144?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:07:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:697a6394-c22c-4354-959d-419cccba00e2</guid><dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Aha! I finally forced AutoCAD to give me a Circular Reference error message.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this the Circular Reference that we are being warned about?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To get the warning I use XREF Attach Type to XREF C.DWG to D.DWG, then I used XREF Attach Type to XREF D.DWG in C.DWG&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hello circle...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_03.png"&gt;&lt;img width="559" height="80" style="width:406px;height:63px;" src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_03.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_04.png"&gt;&lt;img width="366" height="385" style="width:340px;height:316px;" src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_04.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: need examples of circular reference .. Civil 3D with Project Wise</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/332136?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:51:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:db293040-c17a-45aa-bea3-fa714c6df87d</guid><dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I continued the process, added another road in additional file (D.DWG) .. the road in C.DWG intersects with the road in D.DWG.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From both DWG files I create top surfaces and create data shortcuts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then ... I add a data reference to road C Top in D.DWG .... and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I add a data reference to road D Top in C.DWG&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a circular reference - correct?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The dependency viewer looks like this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_02.png"&gt;&lt;img width="442" height="453" style="width:266px;height:258px;" src="/resized-image/__size/940x0/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/342986/2015_2D00_07_2D00_27_2D00_02.png" alt=" " /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where do I view the circular reference warning?&lt;/p&gt;
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