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ProjectWise Design Integration Forum Unable to handle multiple sheet drawings .. ?!
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    Unable to handle multiple sheet drawings .. ?!

    Mikkel Bennedbaek
    Offline Mikkel Bennedbaek over 12 years ago

    Hi There!

    I was just wondering when it would be possible to handle multiple title blocks in dgn files with multible sheets?

    It is common to have the same title block  tag set in several sheets but as far as I know, ProjectWIse can only handle one (or all as it was one).

     

    This would of cause require one unique id for each sheet (besides of the document id) and a corrosponding atrribute page for each sheet, but it would be a great improvement! (No need for more than one attribute page in the dialog - instead there should be "Next sheet"- /  "Previous sheet"- buttons in that!)

    Sheet names could be added to the tag name in ProjectWise so they would maintain unique for ProjectWise and the db, eg.: SHEET1|drwdate, SHEET2|drwdate, ...

     

    Please let me know if aboe is all rubbish an nonsense to you guys .. :)

     

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    • shenry
      Offline shenry Sun, Mar 20 2011 11:29 PM +2
      I would also like to see this functionality included with ProjectWise. Requested it eight years ago, and our Bentley rep documented the solution. Looked like it was going to be incorporated but then..…
    • @B, Carl Broyles
      Offline @B, Carl Broyles Wed, Jan 24 2018 10:34 AM in reply to Jeff Burrill +2
      It should be a TR - 7 years 12,464 views, 26 replies, no solution? Any file can have multiple attribute "sheets". This concept has been in ProjectWise since forever. But we have never had a way to utilize…
    • David Keam
      David Keam Mon, Mar 21 2011 2:19 AM in reply to Scott Turner +1
      I believe this is a significant oversight by Bentley. Multiple models have been part of the dgn file format since V8 and that's a long time. InRoads has been generating multiple cross-section sheets in…
    • Stephan Searles
      Offline Stephan Searles Thu, Jan 25 2018 1:10 PM in reply to @B, Carl Broyles

      Pretty much...

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    • @B, Carl Broyles
      Offline @B, Carl Broyles Wed, Jan 24 2018 10:34 AM in reply to Jeff Burrill

      It should be a TR -  7 years 12,464 views, 26 replies, no solution?  

      Any file can have multiple attribute "sheets". This concept has been in ProjectWise since forever. But we have never had a way to utilize the data. Where is the logic in that?  

      The logic of the request is simple – the binding of the data stays the same. Sheet models have an integer attribute that can corresponds to a specific PW Attribute sheet.

      A value of 0 equals one PW Attribute sheet per file. A value of 1 – infinity equals the PW Attribute sheet attached to each sheet model. Model properties are check and title block integration updates the values accordingly.

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    • Stephen Herrick
      Stephen Herrick Mon, Jan 9 2012 1:30 PM in reply to Kevin van Haaren

      Kevin,

      I have implimented such a workflow, of using fields to reference other sheet/models information.  That works great with updating at plot time and using the renumber function, i ended up writing a small mvba that would update the tag valuses from the fields then utilized the titleblock integration to update the attributes.  I did make it both ways so if the user makes the change in the attribute, when the file is opened the field is updated.

      Have you noticed in MicroStation Project Explorer that the HARVESTING seems to take longer than what ProjectWise takes to check the file.  I have never actually verified this but SURELY the Harvesting is taking advantage of DFT.  

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    • Dean Lyon
      Offline Dean Lyon Fri, Jan 6 2012 7:48 PM in reply to Kevin van Haaren

      Ah. I see that when you say field you mean a reference $FIELD$ who's value is shown when the file is rendered/viewed/plotted.  Not what I thought of as a field. I am not sure what mechanisim in Microstation or AutoCAD would be used to make that entity/element show the correct value without customizations that would have to travel with the drawing if you gave the native file to a vendor, supplier or such.

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    • Kevin van Haaren
      Offline Kevin van Haaren Thu, Jan 5 2012 7:30 PM in reply to Dean Lyon

      The biggest problems we wanted solved (and we've gone over this with Bentley)

      * we use sheet titles and page references in notes on sheets other than the sheet with that title (i.e. "See detail # on sheet TITLE, page #)

      * we frequently insert new sheets causing the need to renumber sheets frequently.

      The first issue really doesn't work with tags because tags replace entire text node and trying to use a tag with text around it just doesn't work. Fields solves this problem by only replacing the field value

      Ideally to use fields to reference a sheet/page number of another sheet, one could bring up Project Explorer, select the sheet the field would reference and select the sheet title/page number and insert a field into a text note.

      Sheet numbering should be done at rendition (i.e. print but renditions are becoming more than paper these days) time with on the fly numbers applied as generated.

      To be honest, i'm not sure ProjectWise is the appropriate place to store all these values. ProjectWise should be aware of them though.

       

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