I am frequently dumbfounded by items in ProSteel drawings which are not contained by the sheets to which they are applied?
Or items which are placed on sheets which are clearly much larger than they need to be.
I should think that when selecting an appropriate sheet to insert that "Bounding Box" sort of functionality might be invoked,
to figure out the best sheet size. It seems to me that the software is incapable of figuring out,
or measuring the items which it is generating for shop drawings.
But that just doesn't make any sense?
Anybody else experience this, or have a reasonable understanding of why?
Or even better yet, HOW TO STOP it from choosing inappropriate sheets or orientations?
Hi ,Thank you for raising this query over the Bentley Community Forum.I can understand your concern. You can use the custom sheet size as well if you are having challenges while selecting the sheet size. This will all fit your drawings inside the sheet.Regards,Mihir Patil.
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Can you post a screenshot of this happening? I'm interested.
Is this in detail center express?
Or is this with microstation's callout tool?
I came across this too, with sheets looking like this :
But I was always placing the items in the sheet myself by hand afterwards, to make it fit nicely. Stretching the drawing frame.
It was tedious work, but nothing I clicked in the program was working as I would like, and generating new sheets takes a lot of time too.
I do not issue the drawings, but always check them.
I am diving into taking over creating Detail Styles and improving
our overall output. The majority of them will always be fine, I might wrangle some of them around a bit,
to make better use of the space on the sheet.
Typically on maybe 2 or 3 of our larger items objects will
be placed in such a way that they cross over the sheet, and that makes me nuts.
In such cases I will first determine whether the best sheet was used,
if not I will find a larger sheet to accomodate the item, usually it will be a Group.
Having to do that just makes me wonder how it happens.
Sometimes the rotation, or lack thereof, on the sheet strikes me odd.
I'll get there eventually, just looking for any feedback from other ProSteel AutoCad users
I am working on creating a set of new .DWTs which will have A3, A2, A1 & A0 sized sheets,
all on their own layers. In that way it will be really easy to remedy such problems,
without leaving the drawing upon which I am working,
by judicious layer visibility manipulation.
The next time this happens I will post a couple examples.
For the last 8 years I have had little to do with the generation
of drawings, so the jury is still out, as to whether the issue I am describing is
actually a Software issue, or perhaps operator error.
I am just revisiting use of The Detail Center
which I have hardly used, since preliminary ProSteel instruction in 2015.
Being Option and user preference driven, I am interested to see
what I can figure out. There are certainly no shortage
of options to investigate.
If you are using Detail Centre express, then the sheetsize and drawing scale are primarily controlled by the FRM file and SCALE file that are declared in DC
Orientation of the part on the page is controlled by the detail style. You have to have sufficient sheet sizes available to allow Prostructures to assign the appropriate sheet.
I think it generally works best to have one scale, several sheet sizes, if you want everything drawn at the same scale.
If you want everything on the same sheet size, then allow only one sheet and several scales.
If you like fruit salad, then just declare several sheet sizes and page sizes and let it go for it.
Thanks Mike for your input, greatly appreciated.
We always use Scale of 10, which is easy to read and annotate on the sheet, but I do miss the good old days of just using AutoCad, and multiple viewport scales. Doing that there is less need for SHORTING, which while clever and interesting, introduces potential manually generated (operator error induced) nonassociated dimensional errors.
Our Steel supplier prints everything on A3 sheets, for the workshop, which makes drawings on larger sheets appreciably harder to read, than with Detail Center Scaling enabled.
I wish that ProSteel wouldn't insert what in my case are extra layers every time it opens. I long for the simplicity of having eight or ten layers in all our drawings. Steel being the catchall for Visible Profile members. I remember my absolute dread the first few times I worked on drawings with up to 2,000 layers? Up from 10 or 12?
We use lots of Xrefs in our Models, and if not diligently maintained and purged, AKA if they were last opened in PS, and erroneously saved without purging, each of them comes into the model bearing all those empty PS Layers.
I am not a big fan of having hundreds of extra layers in my drawings, I aspire to running a tight ship and keeping our file sizes as small as they can be.
I am tempted to try letting PS set Scale, as we have never done that, will check it out, personally I might prefer it...old school. There are pros and cons...just like in real life. If the shoe fits?