Never having used STAAD for modal analysis before, I referred to Example 15 of the STAAD verification manual which demonstrates how the natural frequency of a simply supported beam .
For my requirement , I first I attempted to model a simple cantilever beam in STAAD so I could compare the results with manually calculated values.
For information my input file is shown along the message.
I modelled the beam with the section properties and material properties as below
Ax & Az = 0.56m2
Ixx=Izz = 1.30415 m4
E=205KN/mm2
l = 22m
POISSON 0.3DENSITY 325.3 kN/m3
I divided the beam up with a series of node points to ensure the mass of the beam was uniformly distributed .
I fully restrained the beam at one end and all other intermediate nodes were free.
I get the following results: -
Mode
Natural frequency, Hz
(Manual analysis)
(STAAD analysis, basic)
1
4.43
4.393
2
27.79
3
77.79
28.313
4
152.44
76.806
5
84.819
I am looking for an explanation on following issues
1. In analysis by STAAD i am getting only 5 modes of frequency .How to increase the number modes?
( i tried increasing cutoff modes also tried increasing number of nodes but no change in result)
2. Mode shape 3 (28.313 Hz) & 5 (84.819) given by STAAD analysis is the axial mode. How to avoid the axial modes in analysis.
Input file :
STAAD PLANESTART JOB INFORMATIONENGINEER DATE 09-Sep-14END JOB INFORMATIONINPUT WIDTH 79UNIT METER KNJOINT COORDINATES1 0 0 0; 2 0 22 0; 3 0 11 0; 4 0 5.5 0; 5 0 16.5 0; 6 0 2.75 0; 7 0 8.25 0;8 0 13.75 0; 9 0 19.25 0; 10 0 3.66667 0; 11 0 4.58333 0; 12 0 0.916667 0;13 0 1.83333 0; 14 0 6.41667 0; 15 0 7.33333 0; 16 0 9.16667 0; 17 0 10.0833 0;18 0 11.9167 0; 19 0 12.8333 0; 20 0 14.6667 0; 21 0 15.5833 0; 22 0 17.4167 0;23 0 18.3333 0; 24 0 20.1667 0; 25 0 21.0833 0;MEMBER INCIDENCES1 1 12; 2 3 18; 3 4 14; 4 5 22; 5 6 10; 6 7 16; 7 8 20; 8 9 24; 9 10 11;10 11 4; 11 12 13; 12 13 6; 13 14 15; 14 15 7; 15 16 17; 16 17 3; 17 18 19;18 19 8; 19 20 21; 20 21 5; 21 22 23; 22 23 9; 23 24 25; 24 25 2;DEFINE MATERIAL STARTISOTROPIC STEEL1E 2.06e+008POISSON 0.3DENSITY 325.3ALPHA 1.2e-005DAMP 0.03END DEFINE MATERIALMEMBER PROPERTY AMERICAN1 TO 24 PRIS AX 0.56 AZ 0.56 IX 1.30415 IZ 1.30415CONSTANTSMATERIAL STEEL1 ALLCUT OFF MODE SHAPE 20SUPPORTS1 FIXEDLOAD 1SELFWEIGHT X -1 SELFWEIGHT Y -1 MODAL CALCULATION REQUESTEDPERFORM ANALYSISPERFORM ANALYSIS PRINT MODE SHAPESFINISH
I would appreciate any assistance anyone could give me with this.
1. Use a command CUT OFF FREQUENCY. The default value is 108 cps, so may assign a higher value, i.e. 500 to get more mode shapes.
2. Remove the mass in Y direction (SELFWEIGHT Y -1).
Thank u sir...Results were almost matching with the manual calculation.
But still one issue ..
I am able to get only 6 modes even with CUT OFF FREQUENCY set to higher value..
Results are as below
Mode 1 : 4.393 Hz
Mode 2 : 27.479 Hz
Mode 3 : 76.806 Hz
Mode 4 : 150.234 Hz
Mode 5 : 247.889 Hz
Mode 6 : 369.604 Hz
Sir,
Thank you for your reply.
Any tutorial for solid cylinder modelling is available ???
sir,As u suggested Instead of a hollow cylinder with a lid at one end,i modeled as a solid cylinder throughout its length,Again frequencies are not matching.first mode shape in solid model is 2.9Hz but in beam model it is 4.3Hz.Input file of Solid model is attached.
pls. need help
The diameter of the solid cylinder should be much less so that its sectional properties would match with your model of beam members.
K sir..i will try.
My requirement is I want to make an equivalent beam model of the Vessel ( filled with liquid and also empty vessel case) and to get the natural frequencies of the model.
For this only above exercises were performed, first beam model with Moment of inertia and cross sectional area equivalent of vessel and density of vessel was given as an input and got the natural frequencies.
Then the same vessel was modelled in 3D shell and verified for natural frequencies with beam model.
Results was not matching. Then you suggested to go for solid cylinder instead of hollow cylinder.
Now my query is how to verify the beam model results, so that i can say dynamic behavior of beam model is same as vessel.
Pls. suggest how to proceed on this problem.
How to make an beam model equivalent of vessel fixed at one end ( similar to cantilever )
In the beam model, the area and moment of inertia have to be equivalent to those that one would compute for the cross section of the solid cylinder. I used the Section Wizard program to calculate them and obtained
Area = 138019 sq.cm
Largest moment of Inertia = 1517414822 cm^4
I assigned these values to the beam model using the command
UNIT CMS
MEMBER PROPERTY AMERICAN
1 TO 24 PRIS AX 138019 IZ 1517414822
With this modification, the frequency of the lowest mode of the beam model is 3.01 cycles/sec. The lowest frequency of the solid model is 2.96 cycles/sec - a 2% difference.
The shape of the innermost elements that look like wedges is not correct. Along the two triangular faces, you have a node along the mid-point of one of the sides of the triangles. A screenshot of one of those elements is shown.
The mid-side node needs to be eliminated and the element incidence needs to be specified using the sequence
A-B-C-A-D-E-F-D
where A, B and C are the vertices of the triangle at one end of the wedge, and D, E and F are the vertices at the other end.
The modified beam model is attached.
Thank you very much ...will change my solid model and compare the results.
How to get the cross section and moment of inertia values from Section wizard.
I have not used tat before, could u pls give the steps for getting cross section area and moment of inertia values.
By the above method , my one case of work is complete( i.e Vessel filled with liquid is modelled as solid cylinder and results are witrh an equivalen beam model.).
My next case is empty vessel (i.e vessel without liquid similar to hallow vessel) . How to model this case and compare it with beam model.
In Section Wizard, I used the module named Free Sketch. One can draw the shape of the section on a graph-paper type of an interface. There is also an editing facility through which the coordinates of the vertices of the cross section can be entered in an edit box.
Attached is the section that I created using that module.
Answer Verified By: nir
10-sided.cns
By the above method , one case of work is complete( i.e Vessel filled with liquid is modelled as solid cylinder and results are compared with an equivalent beam model.).
Highly in need of your suggestions for the above question.