Pushover Analisys

Hello,

This is my 3rd thread and seems that no one from Bently staff seems to bother to give me a reply. I am still writing to try my luck once more.

I am applying a pushover analysis on a steel structure. But I am stuck at the application of hinge properties. Apparently FEMA has a default linear Moment-rotation curve, hence I want to add a new curve. But I do not know how to define the Yield Moment and Yield Rotation. Also when it comes to apply the hinge properties for braces how do I do it because braces need another type of hinge but StaadPro appears to have only Moment-Rotation type of hinge.

Can anyone help (is Benltly Forum still operating?)

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  • In section 4.5.2 of the Pushover Analysis documentation, you can find the description and an example for the input that needs to be specified for a user-defined moment hinge.

    If you have a data set you wish to specify and if you can upload it to this thread, we can provide you with a sample model containing that data.

    For braces, we assume you are looking for an axial hinge. Such a hinge is not available in STAAD at present.

    We were not able to find any other post created by you on the BE Communities forum on this topic. If you can provide us the link to those, we will look into those.



  • Hello Sith,

    No problem, the other threads have been about different topics which are not relevant now.

    About this question i changed my mind and I am going to use a FEMA hinge because my structure is quite complex and I don't want to calculate the properties for each member/ group of members.
    My question then is: since I am doing the pushover analysis for a blast design force, do the Seismic Parameters in the pushover DEFINITION affect my design? Or, is there any parameter that i have to modify to adapt the pushiver to a blast type of loading (e.g. i think a Load Distibution using Method 3 is more relevant)?

    Another question about steel design:
    I am doing a deflection design check (dff). My structure members are splitted in smaller elements but i have specified JD1 and JD2 for every member. But still when I get the results from the File-Reports it gives me design results for all the small members. How can i get the results for the members i have specified using jd1 and jd2? And, how can I get these results graphically?

    I would really appreciate your help.

    Many Thanks
  • Kris - sorry

    And I just want to remind you that I am not using the "Interactive Steel Design" but the old method.

    And one more thing, when I use a SELECT command, is the deflection check against the results for the new sections or for the old ones?

    Could you please answer my questions as I guess it should be easy for you to answer quickly. Or at least could you pass to someone else if busy?

    Thanks
  • This is the answer to your question on the output for Steel Design.

    Do the following.

    From the File menu, choose Report Setup.

    Under the drop down list called Available, choose Steel Design Detail.

    Go to the tab called Ranges.

    You will find a Radio button against the term Ranges. Switch it on. In the text box for Beams/Plates/Solids, type in the list of members for which you want the Steel Design output to be reported.

    Close the dialog box.

    Go back to the File menu and choose Print Preview Report.

    The report will be presented only for those members that you choose under the Ranges tab.



  • Hello Kris,

    Thank you for your reply, but could you please give me some more answers quickly?

    1) The thing is that I want the answer for all my members but I want the answers organised in physical members not for all those smaller elements. If this is not possible the question may be - which of the smaller elements would represent the answer for all the member?

    2) Also, I am using the Select/Group commands to have STAAD design steel members. After Select/Group I have included a Perform Analysis and Design Check Commands, which the program does against the new set of cross sections that it itself picked, I suppose. But still the design check in Post Processor/Beams/Unity Check shows Failing members, and not just by a little. Some members have ratios over 2.0! How can sections chosen by Staad itself not pass the design check, while Staad could have chosen even higher sections.

    I did run the commands twice like below, but still nothing:

    *First cycle
    SELECT ALL
    GROUP MEMB 1 3 4
    GROUP MEMB 5 6 7
    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    CHECK CODE ALL
    *
    *Second Cycle
    SELECT ALL
    GROUP MEMB 1 3 4
    GROUP MEMB 5 6 7
    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    CHECK CODE ALL

    Please find the file in this dropbox link as I did not know how to upload it, can you check it:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44309793/BLAST%20Z_3GP%20-%20POWER%20CONTROL%20ROOM%20-%2052-CR-9801.zip

    I would very very appreciate your help!

    Many Thanks,

    Skerdi
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  • Hello Kris,

    Thank you for your reply, but could you please give me some more answers quickly?

    1) The thing is that I want the answer for all my members but I want the answers organised in physical members not for all those smaller elements. If this is not possible the question may be - which of the smaller elements would represent the answer for all the member?

    2) Also, I am using the Select/Group commands to have STAAD design steel members. After Select/Group I have included a Perform Analysis and Design Check Commands, which the program does against the new set of cross sections that it itself picked, I suppose. But still the design check in Post Processor/Beams/Unity Check shows Failing members, and not just by a little. Some members have ratios over 2.0! How can sections chosen by Staad itself not pass the design check, while Staad could have chosen even higher sections.

    I did run the commands twice like below, but still nothing:

    *First cycle
    SELECT ALL
    GROUP MEMB 1 3 4
    GROUP MEMB 5 6 7
    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    CHECK CODE ALL
    *
    *Second Cycle
    SELECT ALL
    GROUP MEMB 1 3 4
    GROUP MEMB 5 6 7
    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    CHECK CODE ALL

    Please find the file in this dropbox link as I did not know how to upload it, can you check it:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44309793/BLAST%20Z_3GP%20-%20POWER%20CONTROL%20ROOM%20-%2052-CR-9801.zip

    I would very very appreciate your help!

    Many Thanks,

    Skerdi
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  • You asked:

    The thing is that I want the answer for all my members but I want the answers organised in physical members not for all those smaller elements. If this is not possible the question may be - which of the smaller elements would represent the answer for all the member?

    Answer:

    In the batch mode (or "old method" as you have described it), the output will be presented for all members in the list for the SELECT or a CHECK CODE command.

    If you want to check the highest ratio from among the segments of a physical member, and do that graphically, the following method should work:

    First, select all the components of the physical member. Click the right mouse button on the drawing area, choose New View - Create a New window for the view. Go to the Results page on top of the screen, and choose Utilization Ratio. The number will appear as a label on the individual segments.

    If you want to find which segment has received the largest section, then, the GROUP command you have used is the right approach, and you should examine the output file to see that section name. You will find statements like the following

      GROUPING BASED ON MEMBER      1  (ST  W14X99          ) LIST=      1....

    The above statement means that the segments in the list for the GROUP command have been assigned a W14X99 (same as the one chosen for member 1) because it happens to be the largest section from among the those in that list.



  • Your question:

    2) Also, I am using the Select/Group commands to have STAAD design steel members. After Select/Group I have included a Perform Analysis and Design Check Commands, which the program does against the new set of cross sections that it itself picked, I suppose. But still the design check in Post Processor/Beams/Unity Check shows Failing members, and not just by a little. Some members have ratios over 2.0! How can sections chosen by Staad itself not pass the design check, while Staad could have chosen even higher sections.

    Answer:

    You can get around this problem with the help of the RATIO parameter. Set its value to a number like 0.75 or 0.8 prior to the SELECT command, and, set it back to 1.0 just before the CHECK CODE command.

    An example of this is

    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    LOAD LIST 11 TO 15
    PARAMETER
    CODE AISC
    RATIO 0.75 ALL
    SELECT ALL
    GROUP MEMBER 1 TO 8
    GROUP MEMBER 21 TO 25
    GROUP MEMBER 33 TO 37

    LOAD LIST 11 TO 15
    PERFORM ANALYSIS
    LOAD LIST 11 TO 15
    PARAMETER
    CODE AISC
    RATIO 1.0 ALL
    CHECK CODE ALL

    Now, if you go to Analyze - Run Analysis, the Select command will use a ratio of 0.75 and the Check Code command will use a ratio of 1.0. If a member still fails, you can go back and change the ratio command again. You can use it selectively, if you want. You could specify several ratio commands so that, for example, for the member selection of channels, the program uses a ratio of 0.7, for the angles it uses 0.6, etc.



    Answer Verified By: Andi 

  • Kris,

    This is very interesting, I managed to avoid member failure only by giving a combination of several ratio commands for different members. I thought the software would make sure itself to find the right sections so all the members pass the design check. And as soon as I make a small change to the "final combination of several ratio commands", even if I reduce them, the software gives failed members. I guess this comes due to the redistribution of the forces with changing the sections of different members.

    What do you think is this normal, should the software work like this? And, is there any other way to get around this type of issue?

    Anyway, thank you a lot Kris, very helpful!

    Skerdi
  • While it may seem like a shortcoming of the program, an examination of the method used in member selection will enable us to realize that it is not easy to arrive at a final set of sections without several iterations, especially for large structures. The steps involved in member selection are described at the following link

    Procedure used in STAAD for Member Selection


    Note that the selected section is optimum only from the standpoint of the recent analysis. Since a new analysis has to be done following the selection, the new stiffness distribution in the structure will determine the extent to which the forces change in the members. Also, a new section also means a new weight, which too will affect the forces in the members.


    Another layer of complexity is added when a GROUPing operation is done following the MEMBER SELECTION. Grouping can inadvertantly cause a safe section to be replaced by an unsafe section. For example, consider a physical member made up of members 1 and 2. Let us assume that during member selection, a W14X61 (AX = 17.9, IZ = 640) was selected for member 1, a W12X65 for member 2 (AX = 19.1, IZ = 533). Observe that the area and hence the weight of the W12X65 is larger than that of the W14X61. But the W14X61 has a larger IZ and hence a larger section modulus than the W12X65. When a grouping is performed, both members will receive a W12X65 since it is the heavier one. But if bending about Z is the critical condition for member 1, by replacing the W14X61 with a W12X65, an unsafe section is being chosen for it.

    The method I suggested earlier, which is use the RATIO parameter is the most effective method I have seen to minimize the number of iterations. Something similar is automatically done by the program if the command SELECT OPTIMIZED is specified. But I am not sure if it is any superior to the one I suggested earlier.



  • Thank a lot Kris, this is clear to me now.

    Thank you for your time as well, bye.


    Kind Regards,

    Skerdi