Lateral Frame Design on a Building on a Radius

I have a building that is on a radius (basically a rectangle that is curved to approximately 442' radius). It is a 3-story building with concrete floors and a membrane roof (so I am assuming rigid floor diaphragms and a semi-rigid roof diaphragm). I have it all modeled without any error or warnings. The gravity runs fine. But when I run the lateral design, I run into issues. The lateral load is applied to the Global X and Y axis, which is putting my lateral beams and columns into minor axis bending since the frames are not oriented parallel to the global X and Y axis. Is there a way to get the lateral loads to be applied to the local axis of the frames so the load is applied in the in-plane direction of the frames? Any help is appreciated.

Jeff

 

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  • Program generated wind and seismic loads are generated based on the global X and Y axes. While some angled loads are also applied to take care of things like seismic orthogonal effects or wind eccentricity, there is not a simple override to change the principal lateral load direction. I'll make sure such an enhancement request is logged. 

    Meanwhile, your best bet is to run the lateral analysis for the X and Y directions normally and print out the Loads and Applied Forces report. That report includes information like total seismic forces per floor, location of the center of mass, and for wind loads the total pressure. From there it should be fairly easy to establish your own User Defined Story forces which can be applied at any angle (load angles are measured in degrees counter clock-wise from the positive X axis).

    For more see various load related topics under Ram Frame: communities.bentley.com/.../ram-structural-system-ram-frame



    Answer Verified By: Jeffrey Champlin 

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  • Program generated wind and seismic loads are generated based on the global X and Y axes. While some angled loads are also applied to take care of things like seismic orthogonal effects or wind eccentricity, there is not a simple override to change the principal lateral load direction. I'll make sure such an enhancement request is logged. 

    Meanwhile, your best bet is to run the lateral analysis for the X and Y directions normally and print out the Loads and Applied Forces report. That report includes information like total seismic forces per floor, location of the center of mass, and for wind loads the total pressure. From there it should be fairly easy to establish your own User Defined Story forces which can be applied at any angle (load angles are measured in degrees counter clock-wise from the positive X axis).

    For more see various load related topics under Ram Frame: communities.bentley.com/.../ram-structural-system-ram-frame



    Answer Verified By: Jeffrey Champlin 

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  • Thank you for the response Seth. After further testing, I found that, as you say, there is no simple fix. Since every brace is on a radial grid, each brace is oriented at a different angle with respect to the positive X axis. So to get this to work correctly, I have to calculate the resultant angle and story shear for each brace and orient my User Defined Story forces parallel to one brace, run the program, design that brace only, and then re-orient my User Defined Story forces to be parallel to another brace so the program can design it without adding all the minor axis bending. Essentially, I have to design each brace separately. So there is a solution but it would be time consuming and not very economical compared to other programs. Thanks again for your help and I hope this enhancement is added in the future.