how do you overlap connections in staad?

Say I have an existing frame of angle bars and i want to attach an extension to the vertical members to raise its overall height. The connection appearance would be similar to an overlapping splice. How exactly can I model that so its considered as 1 (one) structure?

Here is the staad input. The members without assigned properties are the supposed extension.

STAAD SPACE
START JOB INFORMATION
ENGINEER DATE 22-Jun-16
JOB NAME CVT - Cadiz
END JOB INFORMATION
INPUT WIDTH 79
UNIT MMS KN
JOINT COORDINATES
1 0 0 0; 2 650 0 0; 3 0 0 -650; 4 650 0 -650; 5 0 445 0; 6 650 445 0;
7 0 445 -650; 8 650 445 -650; 9 0 850 0; 10 650 850 0; 11 0 850 -650;
12 650 850 -650; 13 0 1255 0; 14 650 1255 0; 15 0 1255 -650; 16 650 1255 -650;
17 0 1700 0; 18 650 1700 0; 19 0 1700 -650; 20 650 1700 -650; 21 0 788 0;
22 0 788 -650; 23 0 1368 0; 24 0 1368 -650; 25 0 788 107; 26 0 788 -757;
27 0 1368 107; 28 0 1368 -757; 29 0 1483 -650; 30 0 1483 0; 31 650 1483 0;
32 650 1483 -650; 33 0 1598 -650; 34 0 1598 0; 35 650 1598 0; 36 650 1598 -650;
37 0 2000 0; 38 650 2000 0; 39 0 2000 -650; 40 650 2000 -650; 41 0 1773 -650;
42 0 1773 0; 43 650 1773 0; 44 650 1773 -650; 45 0 1898 -650; 46 0 1898 0;
47 650 1898 0; 48 650 1898 -650; 49 -65 2000 65; 50 715 2000 65;
51 -65 2000 -715; 52 715 2000 -715;
MEMBER INCIDENCES
1 1 5; 2 5 21; 3 21 9; 4 9 13; 5 13 23; 6 23 30; 7 2 6; 8 6 10; 9 10 14;
10 14 31; 11 4 8; 12 8 12; 13 12 16; 14 16 32; 15 3 7; 16 7 22; 17 22 11;
18 11 15; 19 15 24; 20 24 29; 21 3 1; 22 1 2; 23 2 4; 24 4 3; 25 1 6; 26 3 5;
27 4 7; 28 2 8; 29 6 9; 30 5 11; 31 7 12; 32 8 10; 33 10 9; 34 9 11; 35 11 12;
36 12 10; 37 9 14; 50 22 21; 51 11 13; 52 12 15; 53 10 16; 58 24 23; 59 23 27;
60 24 28; 61 21 25; 62 22 26; 63 29 33; 64 30 34; 65 31 35; 66 32 36; 67 33 19;
68 34 17; 69 35 18; 70 36 20; 71 17 42; 72 19 41; 73 18 43; 74 20 44; 75 41 45;
76 42 46; 77 43 47; 78 44 48; 79 13 29; 80 14 30; 81 16 31; 83 29 42; 84 30 43;
85 31 44; 86 32 41; 87 45 39; 88 46 37; 89 47 38; 90 48 40; 91 42 45; 92 43 46;
93 44 47; 94 41 48; 95 39 37; 96 37 38; 97 38 40; 98 40 39; 104 15 32;
ELEMENT INCIDENCES SHELL
99 51 52 40 39; 100 51 39 37 49; 101 37 38 50 49; 102 38 40 52 50;
103 39 40 38 37;
ELEMENT PROPERTY
99 TO 103 THICKNESS 10
DEFINE MATERIAL START
ISOTROPIC STEEL
E 205
POISSON 0.3
DENSITY 7.68195e-008
ALPHA 1.2e-005
DAMP 0.03
TYPE STEEL
STRENGTH FY 0.2532 FU 0.4078 RY 1.5 RT 1.2
END DEFINE MATERIAL
CONSTANTS
MATERIAL STEEL MEMB 1 TO 37 50 TO 53 58 TO 70 79 TO 81 83 TO 86 91 TO 94 99 -
100 TO 104
MEMBER PROPERTY AMERICAN
1 TO 24 63 TO 70 TABLE ST L25253
25 TO 37 51 TO 53 79 TO 81 83 TO 86 91 TO 94 104 TABLE ST L20203
50 58 TO 62 TABLE ST C5X6
SUPPORTS
1 TO 4 PINNED
DEFINE WIND LOAD
TYPE 1 WIND 1
<! STAAD PRO GENERATED DATA DO NOT MODIFY !!!
ASCE-7-2010ARAMS 200.000 kmph 4 1 1 0 0.000 ft 0.000 ft 0.000 ft 1 -
0 2.000 m 0.650 m 0.000 m 0.600 2.000 0.010 -
0 0 0 0 0.575 1.000 1.000 0.850 0 -
0 0 0 0.906 1.600 -0.550
!> END GENERATED DATA BLOCK
INT 1.34108e-006 1.34108e-006 HEIG 0 4572
EXP 1 JOINT 1 TO 52
LOAD 1 LOADTYPE Wind TITLE W +X
WIND LOAD X 1 TYPE 1 YR 0 2000 OPEN
LOAD 2 LOADTYPE Wind TITLE W -X
WIND LOAD X -1 TYPE 1 YR 0 2000 OPEN
LOAD 3 LOADTYPE Wind TITLE W +Z
WIND LOAD Z 1 TYPE 1 YR 0 2000 OPEN
LOAD 4 LOADTYPE Wind TITLE W -Z
WIND LOAD Z -1 TYPE 1 YR 0 2000 OPEN
LOAD 5 LOADTYPE Dead TITLE DEAD LOAD
SELFWEIGHT Y -1
JOINT LOAD
17 TO 20 FY -1.075
21 TO 24 FY -0.295
LOAD COMB 6 COMBINATION LOAD CASE 6
5 1.4
LOAD COMB 7 1.2D +.8WX +.8WZ
5 1.2 1 0.8 3 0.8
LOAD COMB 8 1.2D +.8WX -.8WZ
5 1.2 1 0.8 4 -0.8
LOAD COMB 9 1.2D -.8WX +.8WZ
5 1.2 2 -0.8 3 0.8
LOAD COMB 10 1.2D -.8WX -.8WZ
5 1.2 2 -0.8 4 -0.8
PERFORM ANALYSIS
PARAMETER 1
CODE LRFD
CHECK CODE MEMB 1 TO 37 50 TO 53 58 TO 70
FINISH

Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

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  • How you connect the extension to the existing structure, is more of a detailing issue than an analysis one. For analysis purpose, you just need to ensure that the extension uses the existing nodes as one of it’s incidence nodes. As long as that happens your structure will be in one piece and there will be proper connectivity. You have correctly modeled it in your model.

    One can make the model complicated by modeling the overlapped ( spliced portion ) using two separate members and using member offset between them or by assigning a modified cross sectional property for the spliced portion but unless you think this is very important and is going to have a significant impact on the analysis, I would not bother modeling these intricacies in the analysis model.



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  • How you connect the extension to the existing structure, is more of a detailing issue than an analysis one. For analysis purpose, you just need to ensure that the extension uses the existing nodes as one of it’s incidence nodes. As long as that happens your structure will be in one piece and there will be proper connectivity. You have correctly modeled it in your model.

    One can make the model complicated by modeling the overlapped ( spliced portion ) using two separate members and using member offset between them or by assigning a modified cross sectional property for the spliced portion but unless you think this is very important and is going to have a significant impact on the analysis, I would not bother modeling these intricacies in the analysis model.



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