Stability Issues in RAM Frame

I'm modeling a performing arts center with BRBFs for the lateral system. When running the model in RAM Frame I've been getting errors about the model being unstable causing it not to run. I followed the steps listed in this link, http://communities.bentley.com/products/structural/structural_analysis___design/w/structural_analysis_and_design__wiki/ram-frame-troubleshooting-tn, and can reach step 5 but not go any further. 

We've modeled a very similar performing arts center before using regular braced frames and that model had no issues running, so I'm not sure if the issue is the BRBFs not providing enough stability or I'm missing something glaringly obvious in the settings.

Thanks

 

  • Brad,

    When running the integrated DataCheck in RAM Modeler you will see 2 warnings for 2 lateral columns on the Roof level being supported by gravity members on the level below. These columns are marked in the image below, which shows the Roof level as a Reference Layout on the 4th Story Layout below.

    In general, this DataCheck warning should not be ignored because the RAM Frame analysis does not consider gravity members in its analysis. The only exception to that rule is that gravity columns and walls supporting two-way decks can be considered when analyzing gravity load cases when an option is invoked in the Criteria - Diaphragm diaphram dialog.

    To resolve the problem, you will need to change the gravity beams on the 4th Story that support the two lateral columns on the Roof to frame members. You will also need to change the gravity columns that support that beam to a lateral column at the 4th Story and all layouts below.



  • Karl - I've run into a similar issue. After turning off P-delta, It looks like the solution is simply related to meshing because the Dead Load displacement shows huge deflections in an area that has gravity columns. In the gravity columns module, they are being design for gravity loads, so I'm confused how to get this to run properly in Ram Frame. Do you have any thoughts? 

    I uploaded the file as "RAM Building 5-30-23"

    Edit: I changed all the elements supporting the discontinuous roof frame to lateral instead of gravity and the model runs with P-delta on but only if using In-Core direct solver, which takes several minutes for a relatively small building. I feel like something else must be the issue.

  • I have a similar problem with my model. I tried these recommendations and am still receiving an "Unstable Structure Detected" in RAM Frame. I uploaded my file.

  • After going home I believe I figured it out. I forgot to define the strength properties of the roof deck.

  • I ran into an issue using a pseudo-flexible diaphragm that I have not encountered before. Every time I would try to run the model in Frame (gravity only no P-Delta) I would get nodal instabilities. The weird thing is it would say the node was unstable in the direction that it's frame should be stable for. Column tops were fixed and beams released with knee braces. I found that I could fix the issue by fixing the minor direction of the beam at that node. After fixing a few it let me run it and gave me warnings about cantilevered beams with unfixed ends, but once I fixed those it went back to just one node at a time. After switching my diaphragm to rigid it ran no problem. My guess is that it's just because the diaphragm is so large and wonky (see attached image, largest portion with C shape and holes). Just curious as to what your thoughts might be.