Good morning,
I'm trying to perform response spectrum modal analysis with Response spectrum user define data option on a multistory concrete building. The porpoise is to introduce in the FE model, seismic actions according to Italian design code (NTC2018) or, at least, Eurocode.
The problem is to manage to introduce, for seismic calculation, also non structural loads (different from self weight) that are represented , for example, by member loads (distributed and/or concentrated) or nodal forces directly assigned to elements with the aim to make STAAD compute them as structural mass.
Is there a specified procedure to follow?
If consider the attached model, in the SEISM +X load case, I have defined:
- the self weight of the structure in X direction because I want to calculate seism effects in X direction;
- user defined response spectrum in X direction;
- distributed member load equal to 2 kN/m in X direction. Running the analysis, I have noticed that this load has not been considered in the calculation of structural mass and so in the evaluation of global seismic effects on the structure. Therefore, how can I define this load correctly in order to make it consider in seismic calculation?
Thank you, regards
Response_Spectrum_Analysis.std
Silvia
The member loads have been defined correctly. The only thing you need to do is to move the loads ahead of the spectrum data. A modified file is attached. There is a difference in base shears when the member loads are included vs when they are not, which is one of the ways to confirm that the member loads are being considered for the mass calculation.
Answer Verified By: SILVIA CONTI
I have adjust STAAD Model introducing in the correct order different load case with the aim to consider, in seismic calculation, also non structural loads, as reported below:
LOAD 4 LOADTYPE Seismic TITLE SEISM X
*
SELFWEIGHT X 1
SELFWEIGHT Y 1
SELFWEIGHT Z 1
MEMBER LOAD
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GX 2
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GY 2
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GZ 2
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GX 1.8
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GY 1.8
5 6 13 14 21 22 29 30 UNI GZ 1.8
SPECTRUM CQC X 1 ACC DAMP 0.05 LIN
0 2.483; 0.154 2.541; 0.463 2.541; 0.551 2.137; 0.639 1.844; 0.726 1.621;
0.814 1.447; 0.901 1.306; 0.989 1.191; 1.077 1.094; 1.164 1.011; 1.252 0.941;
1.339 0.879; 1.427 0.825; 1.515 0.777; 1.602 0.735; 1.69 0.697; 1.777 0.662;
1.865 0.631; 1.952 0.603; 2.04 0.577; 2.128 0.553; 2.215 0.532; 2.303 0.511;
2.384 0.477; 2.464 0.446; 2.545 0.419; 2.626 0.393; 2.707 0.37; 2.788 0.349;
2.869 0.345; 2.949 0.345; 3.03 0.345; 3.111 0.345; 3.192 0.345; 3.273 0.345;
3.353 0.345; 3.434 0.345; 3.515 0.345; 3.596 0.345; 3.677 0.345; 3.758 0.345;
3.838 0.345; 3.919 0.345; 4 0.345;
LOAD 5 LOADTYPE Seismic TITLE SEISM Z
SPECTRUM CQC Z 1 ACC DAMP 0.05 LIN
*COMBIBATION
1- Is it correct to defined for SEISM Z only the response spectrum without introduce SELF WEIGHT AND THE OTHER MEMBER LOADS?
2 - If I want to define rigid diaphragm, which procedure is better to follow? In particular, considering the attached file, I have introduced FLOOR DIAPHRAM specifying the floor level and selecting also MASTER NODE. Running the analysis, STAAD calculates in the output section, only the coordinate of the centre of rigidity but there are no information regarding centre of mass. How can I obtain these results?
I have tried to define masses through REFERENCE LOADS DEFINITION, an error message occurs “REFERENCE LOAD CASE OF TYPE MASS/GRIVITY/DEAD/LIVE IS DEFINED FOR MASS MODELING. CENTRE OF MASS CALCULATION IS NOT POSSIBLE”. How can I solve this problem?
If I introduce Mass as references loads, is it still necessary to define SELFWEIGHT and MEMBER loads as load cases before RESPONSE SPECTRUM INPUT DATA?
3 - In STAAD file attached, I have changed some beam size (at the first and second floor), and, running the analysis, I noticed that, while z-coordinates remain the same because in Z – directions the structure, at each elevation, is symmetric in term of stiffness distribution, in X-direction, X-coordinate change, not only for the first and the second level, where I have modeled two beams with different geometry, but this modification affects also results relating to X-coordinates of the thirds and the fourth elevations, where, in my opinion, the structure is symmetric in term of stiffness distribution (all the beams and all the columns have the same size). How is it possible to explain this results?
4 - if I want to assign torsion moments due Shift in Position of Centre of Mass and Centre of Rigidity, and combine these actions with seismic loads, how can I operate?
3733.Response_Spectrum_Analysis.std
When you define a rigid diaphragm, the software calculates the CM and creates a master node at that location. If there is a node already existing at that location, that node is considered as the master node and if there is no existing node, the software internally creates one. These nodes that you are seeing in the analysis output file are internal nodes and so you would not be able to locate these in the model. However you do not need to apply the moments at the master nodes because as the diaphragm is rigid, it would rotate as a whole and so the exact location of the moment is not going to have an effect. You may choose any node in the plane of the diaphragm. I would usually go with the one closest to the center but again, it really does not matter.
Good evening,
considering the attached model, I have calculate, for each floor level, the story forces through the square root of summation of squares of each component according the SRSS method.
Is it correct to consider the base shear as the sum of single story forces calculated as previous described (see excel file)? If yes, why results does not match with staad pro output?
Considering FX-Component, from hand calculation, I have obtained a base shear force equal to 120.36 kN, Staad gives 99. 24 kN. Why this difference?
IN-PLANE_TORSION_MOMENTS.xlsx4024.Response_Spectrum_Analysis.std
For a response spectrum analysis you cannot add the individual story shears to get the base shear. The reason for that is explained in the following wiki. The base shear is the one reported by the software.
https://communities.bentley.com/products/ram-staad/w/structural_analysis_and_design__wiki/29001/base-shear-does-not-match-the-summation-of-shears
I have some doubts about the use of FLOOR DIAPHRAM command; in particular, if I have to model a structure where at each floor there are not rigid diaphragms, is it possible to obtain from STAAD the output position of CM?
If I have to assign 5% eccentricity due to CM shift, and consequently, the torsion moments at each level, How can I operate?
Thank you!
CM information is calculated and printed only when you use FLOOR DIAPHRAGM option to model a rigid diaphragm. If you are not using a FLOOR DIAPHRAGM, you will have to calculate the center of mass yourself.
If you are using a response spectrum analysis and your model has FLOOR DIAPHRAGM defined, you would be able to account for both inherent and accidental torsion automatically by using the torsion option. If there are no rigid diaphragms defined you would have to manually calculate the accidental torsion and apply it to the different floors. You may create a separate load case for this torsion load and use load combination to combine it with the response spectrum load case.