RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Wed, 11 May 2022 15:28:40 GMT

I was using Rule Set Design - Strength Design - Plot - Section Analysis - Vertical Shear for frame 2 only with min and max values all shown.

I use the Design Strip layer with cross sections turned on (not hatching) to see where the sections are. You can add dimensions there.

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Stuart Riesner — Wed, 11 May 2022 15:17:36 GMT

Seth,

Thank you this is very helpful. It looks like the drop cap is attracting load and jumping the Vu right at those locations which makes sense for a finite element analysis. I just have a couple quick closing questions:

1. What are the settings to plot the image above?

2. Where do you get the section width to verify how far it is from the face of support?

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Tue, 10 May 2022 23:35:53 GMT

1. My error. I confess to still being more familiar with the older code layout. For two-ways slabs we are following the chapter 8 sections. In the case above the max shear demand was more than phi Vc.

2. The demand is a result of the finite element analysis. A full width strip would certainly give you a much larger capacity with only a bit larger demand.

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Stuart Riesner — Tue, 10 May 2022 22:19:36 GMT

Seth,

Thank you this was helpful but it's brought up a couple more questions.

1. Why is the slab shear being designed with the Chapter 9 BEAMS code provisions? We would assume that 8.5.1.1 (c) governs for two-way slabs. Even table 9.6.3.1 you refernced provides exceptions for beams that behave more like slabs.

2. The bw used for the shear sections in the 2C audit seems to be the column strip width, but the shear load appears to be higher than we would expect for just that section. Does CONCEPT redistribute the shear for the design strip or is this just a function of the finite element design? Would modelling the design strip as "Full Width" instead of "Code Slab" alleviate this distribution? In either case, the shear is averaged over the cross section, but full-width design strips would seem to be more in-step with 8.5.3.1.1.

Thank you

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Tue, 10 May 2022 20:01:23 GMT

Let's consider Second floor, strip 2C. A plot of the shear density is useful to establish which sections require the shear reinforcement.

Here's the audit for the controlling section on the left.

communities.bentley.com/.../Auditing-2C_2D00_3_2C00_-section-1.html

If you are comparing Vu to Vc remember to incorporate phi (0.75) and recognize the requirement of 9.6.3.1 (* only for beams in ACI 318-14 *):

In this specific case, the phiVc limit is exceeded, so minimum shear reinforcement is required. At the next section it is OK and the next section is 1.45' away which is approximately "d", so I think you would be justified in ignoring this bar set. Adjusting the strip support width is another way to account for this, but since "d" is a moving target and since the sections are also critical for checking flexure, proceed with caution.

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Tue, 10 May 2022 18:42:44 GMT

Ground Floor or Second? Any strip in particular?

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Stuart Riesner — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:28:52 GMT

Just uploaded, please note that out workflow is through RAM SS but we have not been updating loads from RAM SS because we have custom load cases and load history calcs that get wiped out with bringing those in.

Thank you

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:21:44 GMT

Send your file, or log a service request and we can help.

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File a service request: https://apps.bentley.com/srmanager/ProductSupport

Be sure to indicate what you are checking and your version.

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Stuart Riesner — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:19:29 GMT

We have a flat slab at the locations this is ocurring so it shouldn't have any issue calculating the bw unless there is some maximum limit, and our PhiVc is still greater than the Vu even with the smaller bw.

Are there any other settings, Concept specific assumptions, or other conditions for a thicker transfer slab that would do this given we've chased down the suggestions above?

Thank you

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:14:01 GMT

The width (bw) for one-way shear is the width of the shear core. See: https://communities.bentley.com/products/ram-staad/w/structural_analysis_and_design__wiki/4514/cross-section-trimming-tn

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Stuart Riesner — Tue, 10 May 2022 17:00:50 GMT

Seth,

I'm working on this project with Brinn, and we did review the other design passes to verify. The "controlling criteria" pointed us to a strength provision in the code so we dug into the strength design passes and found what Brinn posted above. We also found the article you linked prior to reaching out and went through each of those potential issues (checking the effective depth, running hand calcs on the one-way-shear, etc).

One item we could not reconcile was the effective width of the section taken for shear. It didn't match any ACI calc, column strip width, or design strip width that we could point to to make sense of it. Even with the width presented, the PhiVc was still > Vu so we doubt that's our problem, but it may point us towards another solution.

Thank you again for your time.

RE: RAM Concept - Program Shear Reinforcement (2-way slab)

Seth Guthrie — Thu, 05 May 2022 22:23:27 GMT

The audit is for a single section there are several envelopes and "design passes" to report, so you might be looking at a pass that is OK, while another requires stirrups, or it might be an adjacent section that controls. This wiki is useful: https://communities.bentley.com/products/ram-staad/w/structural_analysis_and_design__wiki/3094/ram-concept-shear-reinforcement-faq