How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

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RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:09:22 GMT

Hi David,

Thanks for following this up.
I managed to get a MVBA from the Bentley Communities in France. It works but I would expect the software to automatically generate these embankment lines.
I was on a recent Bentley Connect workshop (August 2015) and it is promised that these style of drafting tool will be released next year!!!

If you do find another automated solution it would be appreciated.

Martin

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

David Marx — Tue, 22 Sep 2015 14:06:06 GMT

Hi Martin,
Any feedback on your problem? I'm sure their is a certain script floating around that might assist with this....
Would prefer not to have to export back to native especially since the models change daily and would require lots of drafting input.

SS4 powercivil 08.11.09.789

Thanks
David

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:30:55 GMT

Hi All, it has been some times and I have to come back to this issue. Is there anyone that could advise how to do this? Secondly if this is going to be added to Open Roads sometime?

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Derek Schmidt — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:37:40 GMT

My answer does not detail how to do this? What, exactly? If you need additional instructions on how to create permanent (non-dynamic) cross sections, or if you need more information on how to export your alignments to native, let me know. If the instructions you're lacking are those to set up these embankment lines, I cannot hope to help as I've never done it and never needed to learn how.

I wish I could help, and I hope someone else can.

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:43:58 GMT

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Hi Derek,

Thanks for the response. Your answer does not detail how to do this. Furthermore the other issue is we use the PowerCivil Geopak suite, not straight Geopak.

So in PowerCivil SS2 Geopak it has these tools and you can create the embankment lines called "Slope Indicators with type lines". These Slope Indicators are generated when you create any object/roadway. In SS3 & SS4 this is non-existent.

Any further help would be appreciated.

Martin

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RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 05:39:42 GMT

Hi Derek,

Thanks for the response. Your answer does not detail how to do this. Furthermore the other issue is we use the PowerCivil Geopak suite, not straight Geopak.

Any further help would be appreciated.

Martin

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Derek Schmidt — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:55:16 GMT

You'll need to use Civil Tools > Corridor Modeling > Create Cross Sections (keyin: geometry crosssection create) to create cross sections, and from there use all the same tools you would have used with Geopak SS2. If you need followup steps, I can't help you as I've never needed to show these lines on any plans before. I'm not sure what my workflow would be after getting cross sections up.

PS: I should mention that you'll need to export your geometry to native too. Civil Tools > General Geometry > Export to Native (keyin: geometry geometry export).

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 05:44:37 GMT

Hi Nico,
Please can you detail the process a bit more. I am using all the Open Roads tools. How do I get it back into the Native especially the template?

Just to follow up on this item again. Any progress on when this embankments/piano lines will be in Open Roads?

Thanks
Martin

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Nico Roman — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:10:57 GMT

Martin,

you can use limits of construction under xs in geopak. this will give you the limits on a plan view. you will then need to use drafting tools in microstation or the draw pattern lines tool in geopak to get some of the piano lines.

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 09:07:39 GMT

Do you have access to the process/flow diagram of getting all the deisgn back into Geopak?

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Jason Walsh — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:59:58 GMT

I'm unable to give a time frame for when it will be implemented. You would need to send the OpenRoads design back to the native product, Geopak Civil Suite in your case and use the native tools to add the slope indicator lines.

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:34:17 GMT

Thanks for your response. When will we see this enhancement?

Secondly what would the process be to generate this in the native product as everything sits in OpenRoads?

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Jason Walsh — Tue, 30 Sep 2014 08:29:13 GMT

If the query relates to showing the slope indicators in the OpenRoads design rather then the native product then the answer is that this isn't possible at the moment but an enhancement has been requested to have this added.

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:32:55 GMT

Hi all, any answers?

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Martin73 — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 17:39:21 GMT

Hi, sorry should have told you the software. I am using SS3 Geopak Civil Suite in Microstation SS3!

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Simon Pegg — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:36:13 GMT

To complement Chris' answer, if you're in MX they are called slope signature strings.

You can create them under Modify>Edit Strings>Add Slope Signature Strings, and there is a Wiki Article which goes in to a bit more details.

communities.bentley.com/.../15008.mx-display-slope-signature-strings-as-tadpoles.aspx

My guess is you're using InRoads though :-)

Simon Pegg B.Eng (Hons) I.Eng

Civil Support Manager.

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Chris Key — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:10:31 GMT

Simon beat me to asking which native product you are using, but I wanted to go ahead and give you an answer if working with InRoads. There is a tool under the native commands (Drafting > Draw Slope Direction Pattern) which will give this graphical output.

Also see this forum post communities.bentley.com/.../64196.aspx

RE: How do you create embankment lines (some times called piano lines or frog lines) using templates in Open Roads?

Simon Pegg — Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:39:33 GMT

HI Martin

Can you just let us know which native civil product you are using Inroads, MX or Geopak

Thanks

Simon Pegg B.Eng (Hons) I.Eng

Civil Support Manager.