Roadway Designer - What you see vs. what you get

I have a question on what is showing up in the roadway designer versus what I'm getting when my surface actually generates.  The first picture is from the roadway designer.  It is 2 lanes of a 4-way highway on the left and the on-ramp on the right.  Both are in a fill condition in the infield in this area. 

So there should be some existing ground between them with no proposed surface, but when I create the combined surface, I get the following triangles.

This highlighted triangles are those that are just appearing when the surface is made where there should not be any.  I have other areas where one side is in cut and the other fill and in some areas it connects the two while in others it doesn't.  Any idea why it would connect some of these end conditions to each other, but not others?

I am working with InRoads SS2 V08.11.07.566

  • InRoads does not handle interior boundaries when multiple surfaces are created from separate corridors. The only thing one can do it to manually delete those triangles after the fact. IF you then use the flood fill tool to create a region you can import an interior boundary.
    You might need to create it in a 2D file and drape it on the surface and if you do, I would re-triangulate the surface to restore these triangles so the drape command does not result in any gaps.

    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • Okay, I did create this as a single surface from multiple corridors using target aliasing and clipping. It still doesn't do interior boundaries in these conditions? So you are suggesting creating a shape with the borders of the fills and cuts, drape that to the (existing?) surface and then import into the proposed dtm as an interior boundary? What surface am I re-triangulating?

    Thanks for the input!
  • OK, to create a clean outline of the needed "hole" in the DTM, you need to have something as a guide. It is possible to manually draw the outline, snapping to each triangle vertex. But the Create Region by Flood is much faster. It might not work on 3D triangles however, so I mentioned a 2D model for that step.
    After the region is created, if it is not fully 3D, it must be draped onto a surface to be used as an interior boundary. An Exterior can be set to Do Not Triangulate, be at any elevation and still function. But an interior boundary cannot.
    My thinking was to drape the region onto the proposed surface, but you just made a hole in it. So the draped shape might fall off an edge in the process. By re-triangulating the proposed DTM, the hole will be gone and the shape will drape properly. I recommend this step be completed back in a 3D model.
    Once imported into the proposed surface as an interior boundary, retriangulating the proposed surface will recreate the hole.
    Any time you delete or swap triangle edges, you cannot retriangulate or those edits will be lost.

    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996
  • I would just take the daylight lines that you have for each of your corridors in that area and chain them into a shape and add it back into the surface as an Interior Boundary (from Graphics). Then you don't have to be messing with the elevations because they will all be accurate. It will just take a little copying, trimming and chaining into a shape. You could even copy them within the DTM and do the clean-up directly in the surface with the Surface Edit tools if you are savvy with them. But the graphic option is pretty direct and simple and will produce the same results.
     
    Civilly yours,
    The Zen Dude (also known as "Mark")
    Civil Software Guru & Philosopher
    InRoads User since its birth in the 80's
    OpenRoads Documentation / Training / Support
    Zen Engineering, Owner

    Answer Verified By: Joseph Rusiewicz 

  • I find that joining features from other dtm's often result in breaklines that jump around as the direction of all of the breaklines is not always the same. My flood idea was developed to make a simple three of four step process that does not require a lot of manual manipulations. I have done it both ways, and I'll stick to my method! LOL

    Charles (Chuck) Rheault
    CADD Manager

    MDOT State Highway Administration

    • MicroStation user since IGDS, InRoads user since TDP.
    • AutoCAD, Land Desktop and Civil 3D, off and on since 1996