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Too many elements for civil rule creation - impacts

John Lobbestael MDOT

When importing an alignment with General Geometry Import, from a .gpk, one of my advanced users is getting a message stating "Horzontal contains too many elements for civil rule creation."  What does this mean and what are the impacts?

PowerGEOPAK SS3 - .722

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    The Civl Rules are when civil geometry rules have been assigned to elements. The screen shot below shows the civil geometry rules that can be manipulated.

    An element with no civil rules will show as below, it can be used forOpenRoads design, corridors, linear templates, etc but the geometry can't be manipulated.



  • 0 Offline in reply to Jason Walsh
    I have a similar situation in OpenRoads SS4. Only my vertical will not import due to the fact that the vertical was developed from the existing ground and has too many PVI's. The alignment is being used in Point Controls and I need this work. How do I remove the civil rule so I cam import correctly. I am using the Examples workspace.

    Thanks is advance
    Joe

    Joe Lukovits

    User Since TDP in the 80's,

    Vax based Unix Workstations - Interpro32,

    from the Intergraph Corp.

     

     

  • 0 Offline in reply to Joe Lukovits
    I really need to have this import from file (SS2) to work for all of my alignments. The verticals are comprised with many PVI points. The project is for a full depth reconstructed Median by utilizing existing pavement edges where I need to raise the existing edges by 2.5" and match existing cross-slope for an overlay adjacent to the Median. The elevations of the Median barrier were hand calculated due to shoulder rollover values. The elevations or PVI's were calculated every 10'. This is the only way that I could control the modeling process in SS2.

    Thanks,

    Joe Lukovits

    User Since TDP in the 80's,

    Vax based Unix Workstations - Interpro32,

    from the Intergraph Corp.

     

     

  • 0 Offline in reply to Joe Lukovits

    Joe,
    Purva's screenshot is from MX. You're using Geopak (edit: I assumed Joe was the original poster who had said he was running Geopak), so your counterpart to what she's showing won't look quite the same. In your case (and mine), the counterpart shows up before you open the first file of your session.

    If you have a workspace that is heavily modified by your firm or your client, I'm not sure how useful your response would be.

  • 0 Offline in reply to Derek Schmidt
    Derek, thanks for the response. Please let me clarify that I am using InRoads SS4. I am using the Examples workspace provided by the product

    Joe Lukovits

    User Since TDP in the 80's,

    Vax based Unix Workstations - Interpro32,

    from the Intergraph Corp.

     

     

  • 0 Offline in reply to Joe Lukovits
    When you get a message like "Too many elements..." for horizontal and / or vertical it will not import those geometries period. This check is independent of the design rule checks.

    In the ..\Bentley\WorkSpace\Projects\Examples\Bentley-Civil-Imperial.pcf you will find the following lines:

    #----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    # Allows the user to relax the number of adjacent linear elements.
    # If this is set to false or undefined then the maximum number of adjacent lines is 20.
    # To remove the limit, set to 1. Set to 0 to maintain limits.
    # CIVIL_RELAX_NUMBER_OF_LINEARS = 1
    # Allows the user to relax the total number of elements (i.e. lines + arcs).
    # If this is set to false or undefined then the maximum number of total elements is 250.
    # To remove the limit, set to 1. Set to 0 to maintain limits.
    # CIVIL_RELAX_NUMBER_OF_ELEMENTS_FOR_RULES = 1
    # CIVIL_RELAX_NUMBER_OF_ELEMENTS_ON_IMPORT = 1

    You want to uncomment CIVIL_RELAX_NUMBER_OF_ELEMENTS_ON_IMPORT to get around the 1000 element limit.

    Regards,

    R. W. Bradshaw
  • 0 Offline in reply to R. W. Bradshaw

    For the record, not everyone has the same directory structure. What does the .. ideally represent in ..\Bentley\WorkSpace\Projects\Examples\Bentley-Civil-Imperial.pcf?

    In my configuration, I had to run "dir /s /b *.pcf" on the command line. I found Workspace\Projects\Examples\ in a different tree, one that has no mention of Bentley. 

    Further, the exact pcf you'll need to include these lines in is found at _USTN_PROJECTCFG. By default, variables like this are hidden. The best way I've found to access _USTN_ variables is communities.bentley.com/.../256151. Alternatively, communities.bentley.com/.../8879.msdebug-file.

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