SS4 Geopak - Not able to copy Civil elements

Just curious if that is intended behavior of the program, - when trying to copy a Civil element in SS4 Geopak nothing happens and "Element type not valid for the tool" is displayed on the bottom.

I know we could do that in SS3, it would just paste the element as a simple Microstation linework.

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  • I'm running Geopak SS3, so perhaps something changed between my version and SS4, but I'm guessing it's largely similar, at least in this aspect. I've done some testing and found that I have had unreliable success at copying civil elements from a reference file to the master. 

    For context, as Petro Kravets noted, when we copy a civil element with the Microstation copy tool, the element comes in fine but loses its civil properties and now has conventional Microstation handles (not civil handles). Perhaps this is obvious to anyone familiar with OpenRoads.

    To test another route, I used the Horizontal Geometry > Copy Element tool. I went through the steps, and it copied in, but it seized up and even after about a minute of waiting, still no error had presented itself and I decided to end the process in the task manager. I loaded it back up and surprisingly it was copied in--rules and all.

    So I tried again, however, with a different alignment and noticed the same thing. Except in this case, when I opened the file again, the civil element was not copied in. I've tried several more times to copy it in, with no additional success.

    Both alignments had similar attributes; both had entries in the Geopak job file. 

    What is the recommended steps we might take to consolidate or move our civil elements to another file? I see that you advised to use Create Horizontal Offset from entire element to simulate a copy, but that's not quite the same thing, is it? Because in order to make adjustments to that new element, you'll once again need that original file. Not to mention, you won't be able to manipulate each constitutent element individually.

  • Has anything changed? How are non Geopak users supposed to use our linework in there drawing?
  • The workaround is to Reference the Civil file to a new file using just Microstation and then merge into master. That strips off all the civil data.


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  • Thanks. Will there be a better way in the future. I don't want a traffic cad tech messing with Civil tools but they need our linework. I would think having a copy command that strips the Civil features out would be extremely beneficial for a lot of people