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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/system/syndication/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/products/road___site_design/f/geopak-inroads-mx-openroads-forum/108625/openroads-vertical-geometry-tools</link><description>What vertical geometry tools should I use to create a proposed profile that is 2 inches above the existing terrain and has 50&amp;#39; transitions back to existing elevation at both ends? I was able to create the 2&amp;quot; build up no problem using the &amp;quot;Profile from</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 12</generator><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/769988?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:34:57 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:7f819d6a-40d8-44b0-8885-2b9651c41c80</guid><dc:creator>Cole Grimm</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Were you ever able to find a solution or work-around for this issue? I&amp;#39;m having the same issues where the profile won&amp;#39;t lock to the end of the driveway CL.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/636304?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:18:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:ad1ff762-53d3-4879-951c-c407dbabfbfe</guid><dc:creator>Josh M</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Really old thread by now, but I think it is still a problem (or I&amp;#39;m just doing something wrong).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;m trying to set up a civil cell, and I am at the point where I want to define a profile between an intersecting EOP that will come from a reference element at the time of civil cell placement. I use the Geometry Profile between two points tool and origin snap to the intersecting point shown in the profile view.&amp;nbsp; Using Civil AccuDraw I wish to lock the other end of the profile to the active terrain at a 0&amp;#39; offset, while snapped to the end of the horizontal alignment (that may change if the Civil Cell reference line changes). When I move the cursor into the plan view the profile no longer snaps to the terrain with a 0&amp;#39; offset.&amp;nbsp; I think it sets the elevation to 0&amp;#39; rather than 0&amp;#39; offset from the active terrain.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is an old video that shows it working perfectly in GEOPAK SS3.&amp;nbsp; Start near the 17:30 mark (&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svlsC3KqZlk&amp;amp;list=PL_Tycr4wLxXdwCBi1r884wSoNcNFJ55PO&amp;amp;index=2"&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svlsC3KqZlk&amp;amp;list=PL_Tycr4wLxXdwCBi1r884wSoNcNFJ55PO&amp;amp;index=2&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It doesn&amp;#39;t seem to work in ORD anymore.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/421166?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:35:19 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:8e06d796-5910-4706-8f50-bbd438bcb02d</guid><dc:creator>Megan Mcdonald</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I realize this thread is old, but perhaps I can still get an answer? I followed those steps, clicking &amp;quot;O&amp;quot; on the keyboard and tentative snap on the intersection in the plan view, but no matter what it places my tie in at 0 elevation instead of the existing profile elevation. Unfortunately the videos won&amp;#39;t work so I can&amp;#39;t see what isn&amp;#39;t working. Thoughts? Thanks!&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330262?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:55:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:39bd62b2-013e-4a9a-ae4f-0d2d737ee715</guid><dc:creator>Robert Garrett</dc:creator><description>Tentative snap to edge of pavement locks the station automatically.  Then for elevation Civil Accudraw needs to know which profile the offset is measured from.  I put focus into the profile offset field clicked O on keyboard (O for origin) and picked the existing ground profile so that any offset is measured from this.  Sorry, I&amp;#39;ve done these things so often it is second nature and I forget that it is not obvious.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330260?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:24:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:f2700bed-241b-4f26-87ed-699aa05fe6ac</guid><dc:creator>Derek Schmidt</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Never mind. My failure was that I didn&amp;#39;t actually watch your first video (nor, to my shame, properly read your writeup). I understand now that instead of using Z or dZ, you do profile offset, which I understand to be an offset from the active profile (in this case, the existing profile)--or perhaps any profile of the user&amp;#39;s choice. And I didn&amp;#39;t realize that you were pointing that out in the second video too. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Thanks, Robert.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330259?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:20:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:231b59a6-8bbf-4aa5-84d5-53e99d1faf76</guid><dc:creator>Derek Schmidt</dc:creator><description>What did you do at about 30 seconds in? Leading up to that, I see that you did a keypoint snap at the end of the edge of pavement, and then you probably hit Enter to lock that station (as I see the lock there), and then you clicked into the profile. Then I can&amp;#39;t tell what you did to snap to the existing profile.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330251?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:32:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:76298056-f778-4140-82e8-d86114acb2e9</guid><dc:creator>David Neidig</dc:creator><description>That video was perfect and I see the design intent in doing that.  Thanks Robert.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330247?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:22:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:de17270f-103b-4e57-a6f2-c5924ad267d9</guid><dc:creator>Robert Garrett</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Yep, sure. &amp;nbsp;Here is another video. &amp;nbsp;I focused on just the creation of rules to a plan element. &amp;nbsp;So here what you see is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I am looking at the end of the alignment this time and I ignored the 2inches offset discussed previously.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Profile Line Between Points Command but works with any command.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Use civil Accudraw in profile&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;When prompted for the first point in the line, I &lt;span style="text-decoration:underline;"&gt;Tentative&lt;/span&gt; snap to the end of the edge of pavement in plan. This locks the station and creates a rule to the plan element.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Then if the edge of pavement position changes then the profile updates.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/5922/Lock-civil-accudraw-profile-station-with-snap.wmv"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../Lock-civil-accudraw-profile-station-with-snap.wmv&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330234?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:04:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:a0de51c6-d40b-4c25-9d7f-cc2a65f21d10</guid><dc:creator>Derek Schmidt</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;David Neidig&amp;quot;]Whenever I would snap to an element in the plan view it would place my line at 0 elevation.[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is the reason I&amp;#39;ve had to draw vertical lines at the relevant stations, and then do an intersection at the existing profile. But if there&amp;#39;s a better way to handle this, I&amp;#39;m all ears.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330230?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 15:41:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:68befe7a-7f62-486f-8d53-71c19bd56de9</guid><dc:creator>David Neidig</dc:creator><description>Thanks for the video.  I found it to be very helpful.  In your note 4 (#2), you mention about snapping to the edge of road in the plan view and have it recognize that station on the profile view.  That&amp;#39;s really all I&amp;#39;m trying to do and that&amp;#39;s what I was having trouble with.  Whenever I would snap to an element in the plan view it would place my line at 0 elevation.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330223?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 15:07:44 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:d3a2ce89-fab5-4dbd-8a0e-c5bca026183c</guid><dc:creator>Robert Garrett</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Hi David: &amp;nbsp;Here is a video showing the use of Civil Accudraw in the workflow you describe. &amp;nbsp;As you have found, you can indeed use construction lines and snaps to solve the problem. &amp;nbsp;I encourage you to explore Civil Accudraw in plan and profile workflows because it will solve many problems more efficiently than other workflows. &amp;nbsp;In your specific example, Civil Accudraw is a technically better solution because snap rules are sometimes unreliable. &amp;nbsp;If you snap to a vertex that is not the start point or end point then the snap rules may not update as expected if changes are made to the design.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this video you will see:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I created an offset profile from existing ground. &amp;nbsp;I used a 1 ft offset instead of 2inches for better clarity in the video. I made a blunder here when first starting because I set the start and end station incorrectly, so I changed these in properties.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Then I used civil accudraw in profile with the Profile Line Between Points command to transition to existing ground. &amp;nbsp;Geometrically, for my data, this is not a very good transition. &amp;nbsp;But it shows the use of civil accudraw to lock the offset from a surface. &amp;nbsp;You will also notice that I used a station keyin rather than a snap for reasons noted above.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Then I repeated the process using curve between points command. &amp;nbsp;Same thing as line between points using civil accudraw.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Also keep in mind the following not shown in the video.&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;This workflow is valid for any of the profile commands. Civil Accudraw simply assists in defining points. &amp;nbsp;So whichever command provides the best geometric transition can be used.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;In the video I used keyed in station values, but you can also snap in plan view (such as beginning of the edge of pavement, which locks the station and rules it to whatever you snapped.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;IN the video I used the original ground surface with zero and 1.0 offsets using accudraw. &amp;nbsp;You could also use zero offset from the two different lines which is perhaps a better rule to preserve for design intent
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.bentley.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/5922/Civil-Accudraw-Profile-Offset.wmv"&gt;communities.bentley.com/.../Civil-Accudraw-Profile-Offset.wmv&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330206?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:14:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:6c81aa40-e596-4164-85a6-55f42a43d55d</guid><dc:creator>David Neidig</dc:creator><description>Thank you for the response.  I was missing one step.  Whenever I would try to place a 50 foot Non &amp;quot;civil&amp;quot; line in my profile view I would get a circle with a slash through my cursor, which is why I thought it had to be a civil line.  All I had to do was click on my secondary screen and the line then became available.  Wow, not sure how I missed that.  Thank you for your help.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330203?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:05:53 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:86ce1cb7-a292-4652-85b9-5059b6120592</guid><dc:creator>Derek Schmidt</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;What does &amp;quot;calculation line&amp;quot; mean? It sounds like it might mean the profile line following the 2&amp;quot; overlay. If so, since you say &amp;quot;I did set my project from surface profile to start 50&amp;#39; after the start and 50&amp;#39; before the end, so they are set to be tied to&amp;quot;, I would guess there&amp;#39;s no more to be done but to connect the dots:&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; Are you using the Profile Line Between Points to connect from the beginning to the 50&amp;#39; in? When using this tool, you can snap to the existing profile at the beginning of your project and then snap to the point where your full 2&amp;quot; overlay begins. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; To make sure the snap is at your BOP and EOP, draw vertical lines in the profile model (not necessarily civil lines, as profile lines are generally decidedly not vertical; but a common Microstation line will do), and then when you&amp;#39;re putting together your feather, snap at the intersection of the new Microstation line and the existing profile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PS: Beebe Ray&amp;#39;s solution is considerably more elegant than this and better honors design intent. I had guessed that this tool probably exists but I wasn&amp;#39;t sure.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330202?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:02:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:d4568e60-027f-4103-a700-6442cb93fd97</guid><dc:creator>Beebe Ray</dc:creator><description>Another collegue of mine had a suggestion.  I have not tried it personally yet but it may assist.   Use civil accudraw in the Profile View.  The first point would be surface offset = 0.0 from existing ground and station = to start station, the second point would be surface offset = 2&amp;quot; and delta station of 50.  If you have a moment to try that and see if you find that it gives the results you want.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330200?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:57:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:ce6009d7-4c06-49f3-9df1-956d98d7ed5a</guid><dc:creator>creininger</dc:creator><description>I tried to build with the Vertical Geometry tools but there doesn&amp;#39;t seem to be a way to do a variable offset. Might be something Bentley could add in the future?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, we do a lot of overlay jobs here and to do what you are wanting to do we use point controls in our corridor. Have you tried doing this rather than building a profile? You could even do it with parametric constraints if you set the template up correctly.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330188?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:36:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:aa85e6fc-e3b3-4b3c-8af4-96c0fe9cfe3f</guid><dc:creator>David Neidig</dc:creator><description>Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.  I did set my project from surface profile to start 50&amp;#39; after the start and 50&amp;#39; before the end, so they are set to be tied into.  However, whenever I try to draw a calculation line in the profile viewer to set my tie in locations I never get an option to type in a length and it doesn&amp;#39;t let me lock in the X or Y coordinate so I can draw a straight horizontal or vertical line.  All I ever get is a prompt to type in a station and a Z coordinate.  Any thoughts?&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: OpenROADS Vertical Geometry Tools</title><link>https://communities.bentley.com/thread/330185?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:16:01 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">6dad98f5-dbc9-4c4d-a9ba-e9da8dc6aa8e:cae76359-9a98-4dcb-9fb1-94a98b9f39cc</guid><dc:creator>Beebe Ray</dc:creator><description>What do you mean by not allowing calculation lines in profile?  You can draw anything you want in the profile view and use it to construct other geometry.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also can you project from surface 50&amp;#39; after the start and end 50&amp;#39; before the end. then draw an element from the beginning of existing to the beginning of the offset profile.  Do the same at the end and complex them together.&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>